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<p>[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 2546097, member: 15019"]A great thread indeed. This is an area I'm into pretty heavily in general, but regarding Canadian coins... I have reported in the past fake coins "encapsulated" by both ICCS and CCCS. I also had an argument with an experienced collector who purchased one of the coins from this same counterfeiter cartel, who said the final word was that he checked with ICCS and they would certify it as genuine.</p><p>I even had Mike Marshall tell me flat out that one of their coins was genuine, some time back when he was active on this forum. When experts get fooled it's a serious problem. Luckily it looks like people are wising up to it, as they are mostly selling far below what they used to compared to genuine examples. Still a very long way to go, but progress.</p><p><br /></p><p>There is also an especially sneaky ebay seller I have been watching for years, ebay id <a href="http://myworld.ebay.ca/collectablesrwcompany" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://myworld.ebay.ca/collectablesrwcompany" rel="nofollow">collectablesrwcompany </a></p><p><a href="http://myworld.ebay.ca/collectablesrwcompany" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://myworld.ebay.ca/collectablesrwcompany" rel="nofollow"><br /></a></p><p>Started out with the more common fakes several years ago and worked up to some of the really high quality ones over recent years. This one is smarter than the average account they use, and based in Canada. Stops whenever they get some negative feedback about fake coins, starts up as soon as feedback is too old to show, which is pretty soon at present actually. I only managed to get a handful of listings removed when ebay still had a group working on these things. No one believed me that the coins were fake, but they exactly match some of the ones in the second link you posted.</p><p><br /></p><p>These particular fakes have been around the global market for at least 3 years, which is when I was the crazy guy on a soapbox yelling about them to a very small audience. The other common ones with the more easily identifiable fake surfaces/toning have been around about twice as long.</p><p><br /></p><p>Shoutout to [USER=4373]@gxseries[/USER] for also recognizing these fakes early on in their presence and working to get people informed <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Numismat, post: 2546097, member: 15019"]A great thread indeed. This is an area I'm into pretty heavily in general, but regarding Canadian coins... I have reported in the past fake coins "encapsulated" by both ICCS and CCCS. I also had an argument with an experienced collector who purchased one of the coins from this same counterfeiter cartel, who said the final word was that he checked with ICCS and they would certify it as genuine. I even had Mike Marshall tell me flat out that one of their coins was genuine, some time back when he was active on this forum. When experts get fooled it's a serious problem. Luckily it looks like people are wising up to it, as they are mostly selling far below what they used to compared to genuine examples. Still a very long way to go, but progress. There is also an especially sneaky ebay seller I have been watching for years, ebay id [URL='http://myworld.ebay.ca/collectablesrwcompany']collectablesrwcompany [/URL] Started out with the more common fakes several years ago and worked up to some of the really high quality ones over recent years. This one is smarter than the average account they use, and based in Canada. Stops whenever they get some negative feedback about fake coins, starts up as soon as feedback is too old to show, which is pretty soon at present actually. I only managed to get a handful of listings removed when ebay still had a group working on these things. No one believed me that the coins were fake, but they exactly match some of the ones in the second link you posted. These particular fakes have been around the global market for at least 3 years, which is when I was the crazy guy on a soapbox yelling about them to a very small audience. The other common ones with the more easily identifiable fake surfaces/toning have been around about twice as long. Shoutout to [USER=4373]@gxseries[/USER] for also recognizing these fakes early on in their presence and working to get people informed :)[/QUOTE]
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