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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Curtis, post: 24676735, member: 26430&quot;]<p style="text-align: center"><b><font size="5"></font></b></p> <p style="text-align: center"><b><font size="5">I thought a numismatic game of &quot;guess the collector tag&quot; might be fun.</font></b></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="5"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="5"><i>First, some preliminaries and background (or jump ahead to the &quot;game&quot;!).</i></font></p> <blockquote><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>NOTE</b>: I&#039;ve also just posted this on Reddit, where it may or may not get any attention:</p><p><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/15qzncv/collector_tags_challenge_how_many_tags_tickets/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.reddit.com/r/AncientCoins/comments/15qzncv/collector_tags_challenge_how_many_tags_tickets/" rel="nofollow"><i>&quot;Collector Tags Challenge&quot;: How many tags, tickets, envelopes can you ID?...</i></a></p><p><br /></p></blockquote><p>Depending on what you collect, you may be very familiar w/ certain collector labels. Beyond descriptive details &amp; references, they can offer valuable records of prior collections and publication history, even hoards and findspots. Sometimes tags are the only evidence of provenance.</p><p><br /></p><p>They provide a tangible link to the modern history (recent decades, even centuries) of ancient coin collecting, commerce, and scholarship. Researching them can be a challenge, but finding a match is a great thrill.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>A few online sources with names &amp; photographs of collector tags:</b></p><ul> <li><i>British Numismatic Society</i>, British Collectors &amp; Dealers: <br /> <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/2-uncategorised/266-6-people-pages-coin-tickets" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/2-uncategorised/266-6-people-pages-coin-tickets" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/2-uncategorised/266-6-people-pages-coin-tickets</a><ul> <li>PDF: <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-008.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-008.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-008.pdf</a> <br /> AND/OR OR <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-011_1.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-011_1.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Main-List-011_1.pdf</a></li> <li>PDF: <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-007.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-007.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/6_Coin_Tikts/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-007.pdf</a> <br /> AND/OR <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-011.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-011.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Recent-Additions-011.pdf</a><br /> </li> <li>AND/OR PDF: <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Mystery-List-011.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Mystery-List-011.pdf" rel="nofollow">MYSTERY TICKETS</a> <br /> = <a href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Mystery-List-011.pdf" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Mystery-List-011.pdf" rel="nofollow">https://www.britnumsoc.org/images/BIOGRAPHIES/Coin-Tickets-Mystery-List-011.pdf</a></li> </ul></li> </ul><p> <ul> <li>Private Collection, [USER=74282]@red_spork[/USER] , <i>Res Publica Gallery</i>, Provenance Paraphernalia: <a href="http://gallery.respublicacoins.com/index.php?/category/3" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://gallery.respublicacoins.com/index.php?/category/3" rel="nofollow">http://gallery.respublicacoins.com/index.php?/category/3</a></li> <li>Private Collection, <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/" rel="nofollow">Meepzorp</a> w/ photos of tags: <a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/" rel="nofollow">https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/</a></li> </ul> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6"><b>COLLECTOR TAG CHALLENGE!</b></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><br /></p><p>Do you recognize or have any of these? I thought it might be fun to try to guess or see who else has them.</p><p><br /></p><p><i><b>I&#039;ll edit in proper answers later</b></i>, maybe after a day or so, to make the photos useful in the future to those doing provenance research. (For answers <i>right now</i>, there are links after each one.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>1. Round white circular hand-written tag. </b>Occasionally accompanied by life-size cutout photos. Sometimes w/ additional tags, incl. square ones.</p><p><br /></p><p>Probably the most commonly encountered private collector tags on Greek coins!</p><p>(About half of my c. 100 from this collection have tags; most of the missing 50 were lost by intermediate collectors.)</p><p><i><a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/ex-bcd-collection-bibliography/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/ex-bcd-collection-bibliography/" rel="nofollow">Answer (my website)</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574009[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>2. White and colored (yellow, blue, etc.) 2x2 paper envelopes, hand-written ink w/ extensive description &amp; references</b>. Thousands and thousands are out there (or were originally, many since destroyed). Important collection envelopes for Roman Provincial bronze coins. Many coins published. Of my 10 from this collection, 9 still have envelopes.</p><p><i><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=103980.msg782682#msg782682" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=103980.msg782682#msg782682" rel="nofollow">Answer here (FORVM)</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574010[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>3. Manilla 2x2 coin envelopes PLUS circular white tags, hand-written</b>. (Sometimes one or the other.) Some mid-20th cent. previous collectors&#039; tags/envelopes preserved and used instead, with new notes added.</p><p><br /></p><p>Vast important collection (a collector-dealer&#039;s) of Greek, Roman, and other. Recently dispersed.</p><p><br /></p><p>Many of the coins were published &amp; have important provenances. Such information is inconspicuously written on tags, usually overlooked by the auction catalogers! (In fact, they gave me the wrong circular <i>SNG Lockett</i> ticket [1483 not 1501, Alex III Drachms], apparently not having checked &amp; unaware the coins were published.)</p><p><br /></p><p>Most Greek have been encapsulated by NGC, but were still sold with the envelopes/tags (sadly, many were immediately discarded by buyers who felt the NGC slab was &quot;enough&quot;).</p><p><i>Answers <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/sale-catalogs/#Salton27" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/sale-catalogs/#Salton27" rel="nofollow">here</a> AND <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Williams-84c" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Williams-84c" rel="nofollow">here, both on my website</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574017[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>4. White collector envelopes, hand written in pencil/black ink, often with collection numbers &amp; dated ink stamp</b>. Important New York collector, involved in numismatic organizations, frequent presenter at shows. As noted on the envelopes: many of the coins have been published (by the collector or other authors), as well prior provenance, and sometimes info about their past exhibitions.</p><p><i>Answers: <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-ii-eastern-greek/#Samaria" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-ii-eastern-greek/#Samaria" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Galst-9" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Galst-9" rel="nofollow">here</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574012[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>5. Two different collectors, especially of London Constantine.</b> Both collectors&#039; detailed tags shown in both photos, one much larger than the other. They also appear alone. Many of the coins are published in the important new (2015) reference, <i>London Mint of Constantius and Constantine</i> (<a href="https://www.coinbooks.org/v21/esylum_v21n40a03.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinbooks.org/v21/esylum_v21n40a03.html" rel="nofollow">NBS book announcement</a>).</p><p><i>Answer <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/#Tetrarchy" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/selections-from-the-bce-collection/#Tetrarchy" rel="nofollow">here on my website</a>, and <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/new-roman-captives-coins/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/new-roman-captives-coins/" rel="nofollow">in my blog post</a></i></p><p><i>[ATTACH=full]1574019[/ATTACH] </i></p><p><br /></p><p><b>6. Off-white large round collector tags, hand written, usually blue ink. </b>Sparse information, usually including prior provenance, often to important collections (especially to the Lockett collection). From the collection of an important Museum numismatist &amp; classicist, long-term curator &amp; well-known author. Usually kept prior collection tags when available.</p><p><i><a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/sale-catalogs/#Lockett" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/sale-catalogs/#Lockett" rel="nofollow">Answer here on my website</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574013[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>7. Off-white medium collector tag from an important multi-generational family, sparse hand-written ink notes, usually provenance.</b> I believe these hand-written tags are from the grandfather, who privately exchanged coins with all the important early 20th century collectors and participated in major auctions, thus serving as an important record/information source on numismatic history.</p><p><br /></p><p>For example, from this tag, we learn that Ars Classica XV&#039;s anonymous “amateur étranger récemment décédé” may have been the famous collector-scholar, Edward Perry (E.P.) Warren (1860-1928). Multiple of his other consignments are well known, using similar pseudonyms, but I&#039;ve never seen this one identified elsewhere.</p><p><i>Answer <a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Elis" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-i-western-greek-world/#Elis" rel="nofollow">here on my website</a></i></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/elis-olympia-e1trwh-jpg.1565798/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>8. Medium, off-white or yellow circular hand-written tickets. </b>Coins from this collection have been sold in various waves over at least 10 (maybe 20?) years. Often coinciding with new editions of his most popular book, in which he replaces many the &quot;plate coins,&quot; often from his collection.</p><p><i><a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-ii-eastern-greek/#Bar-Kochba" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-ii-eastern-greek/#Bar-Kochba" rel="nofollow">Answer here on my website</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574015[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><b>9. Small rectangular peach or pink colored tag with a typed number</b>. The typed number is a museum &quot;accession number.&quot; All of these were part of TWO museums (one of them TWICE!), having been donated from the collection of a major NYC philanthropist &amp; benefactor (and, for one, founder) of the institutions.</p><p><i><a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=7707&amp;pid=180013#top_display_media" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=7707&amp;pid=180013#top_display_media" rel="nofollow">Answer here on my FORVM Gallery</a></i></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/conservatori-vespasian-denarius-ex-ans-huntington-ed-png.1500289/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>10. It is nice when NGC gives provenance info</b>! In this case, the name given (Morris) the real name of the collection&#039;s direct consignor, but is actually more of a pseudonym, since Morris wasn&#039;t the actual collector.</p><p><br /></p><p>There are also distinctive manilla coin envelopes with typed notes that were originally associated with these coins. But sadly the envelopes were apparently discarded for all the encapsulated coins. (If no one else does it first, I&#039;ll link envelope images in a few hours or a day, once the &quot;game&quot; is completed.)</p><p><i><a href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Antoninus-Wetterstrom" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conservatoricoins.com/provenance-coins/part-iv-alexandria/#Antoninus-Wetterstrom" rel="nofollow">Answer here on my website</a></i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1574016[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center"><font size="6"><b> TAKE A GUESS AT THE ANSWERS &amp;</b></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6"><br /></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6"><b><b>ALSO, IF YOU WANT TO, </b>PLEASE CONSIDER</b></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6"><b>POSTING MORE COLLECTOR TAGS!</b></font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6">from these collectors or any others... </font></p> <p style="text-align: center"><font size="6">known, unknown, mystery, or otherwise...</font></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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