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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3252226, member: 56653"]Hi,</p><p><br /></p><p>I am away from my references and not at all confident enough but what we need to be focusing on is the monogram. The legends are degenere and at least on one side it seems to be a reversed legend so I suppose they would not be of much help.</p><p><br /></p><p>The size and weight are helpful as they indicate a 10 to early 11 century coinage.</p><p><br /></p><p>So who is this monogram for? The monogram itself looks degenere too, hence the trouble.</p><p><br /></p><p>It does bear familiarity with the VIICOC monogram of the coinage of the Viscounts of Albi from the 11th century but the flan seems larger than the usual Albigenois denier (btw what is the weight of the coin?)</p><p><br /></p><p>To me it also bears some resemblance to the LVDOVI monogram of the deniers of Louis IV d'Outremer (maybe Reims?), but these are extremely rare coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Another similarity in both style and monogram shape are the EBIIIS and IVOS monograms of Dukes Conan II and Conan III of Bretagne (weight might also help in supporting or discarding this possibility).</p><p><br /></p><p>It even resembles an unstructured monogram of Lothaire, again extremely rare.</p><p><br /></p><p>These are the directions I'd explore first as I do not recognize the type upfront. If you could provide the weight and some more photos in different lighting/shades to make up some legends it might also help narrowing it down.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3252226, member: 56653"]Hi, I am away from my references and not at all confident enough but what we need to be focusing on is the monogram. The legends are degenere and at least on one side it seems to be a reversed legend so I suppose they would not be of much help. The size and weight are helpful as they indicate a 10 to early 11 century coinage. So who is this monogram for? The monogram itself looks degenere too, hence the trouble. It does bear familiarity with the VIICOC monogram of the coinage of the Viscounts of Albi from the 11th century but the flan seems larger than the usual Albigenois denier (btw what is the weight of the coin?) To me it also bears some resemblance to the LVDOVI monogram of the deniers of Louis IV d'Outremer (maybe Reims?), but these are extremely rare coins. Another similarity in both style and monogram shape are the EBIIIS and IVOS monograms of Dukes Conan II and Conan III of Bretagne (weight might also help in supporting or discarding this possibility). It even resembles an unstructured monogram of Lothaire, again extremely rare. These are the directions I'd explore first as I do not recognize the type upfront. If you could provide the weight and some more photos in different lighting/shades to make up some legends it might also help narrowing it down.[/QUOTE]
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