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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 4173313, member: 56653"]This one is very similar to the second specimen in the OP. This is possibly the type that sees the passing of Guillaume and the instating of the regency for Guy II. You can add to your reference table Malloy 86, Tzamalis GR105.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[USER=107503]@VD76[/USER] , your array of Latin East coinage is astounding. This one is (as expected) not recorded in the regular references nor as a coinage of the Acciaioli in Athens. It does not look like the Acciaioli coinage, which is quite distinct and compact in its appearance and legends, even if the billon quality is wildly variable. I don't know if we will ever be able to say for certain who and when minted these irregular copper <i>tornesi</i> or if they were meant for the Greek or Neapolitan markets. I suppose both, some are Italian copies minted as far as 1464 and others are local Greek copies.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have a pet theory regarding coins like yours, which I won't get into much detail here. To keep it brief, I think that they are either:</p><p><br /></p><p>1. counterfeits issued by the Catalan interests, possibly after the conquest of Neopatras in 1318, to subvert the local economy in Morea and weaken the Angevin rule in the Principality of Achaea or</p><p><br /></p><p>2. a coinage in its own right based on the two large types that were in use in Greece in the 14th century: the <i>tornesi</i> of both Athens and Achaea, minted locally under the rather clumsy Catalan Duchy of Athens, that might have started in somewhat good billon but became debased in time.</p><p><br /></p><p>I'm following this period with great interest and if possible, I will write an article about these irregularities soon.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 4173313, member: 56653"]This one is very similar to the second specimen in the OP. This is possibly the type that sees the passing of Guillaume and the instating of the regency for Guy II. You can add to your reference table Malloy 86, Tzamalis GR105. [USER=107503]@VD76[/USER] , your array of Latin East coinage is astounding. This one is (as expected) not recorded in the regular references nor as a coinage of the Acciaioli in Athens. It does not look like the Acciaioli coinage, which is quite distinct and compact in its appearance and legends, even if the billon quality is wildly variable. I don't know if we will ever be able to say for certain who and when minted these irregular copper [I]tornesi[/I] or if they were meant for the Greek or Neapolitan markets. I suppose both, some are Italian copies minted as far as 1464 and others are local Greek copies. I have a pet theory regarding coins like yours, which I won't get into much detail here. To keep it brief, I think that they are either: 1. counterfeits issued by the Catalan interests, possibly after the conquest of Neopatras in 1318, to subvert the local economy in Morea and weaken the Angevin rule in the Principality of Achaea or 2. a coinage in its own right based on the two large types that were in use in Greece in the 14th century: the [I]tornesi[/I] of both Athens and Achaea, minted locally under the rather clumsy Catalan Duchy of Athens, that might have started in somewhat good billon but became debased in time. I'm following this period with great interest and if possible, I will write an article about these irregularities soon.[/QUOTE]
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