A first for me - Show Grading - Guess the grade part 3 of 5

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  1. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    Part 1 & 2 is now in the books; check it out here:

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-first-for-me-show-grading-guess-the-grade-part-1-of-5.395975/

    https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-first-for-me-show-grading-guess-the-grade-part-2-of-5.396102/

    Now we move on.

    Please guess the original grade and the new grade (originally NGC and now PCGS). Are they the same or different?

    Here I am including two photos (a PCGS TrueView and a photo from the seller).

    Note: what looks like a lamination or some other "artifact" under the O and L of "Dollar" on the reverse of the PCGS TrueView is not actually on the coin; I'm not sure how that got on the photo (maybe something fell on the coin or was on the camera).


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  3. Abramthegreat

    Abramthegreat Well-Known Member

    MS67*?
     
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  4. Evan8

    Evan8 A Little Off Center

    Original: 65
    New: 66
     
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  5. ddddd

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  7. Anthony Mazza

    Anthony Mazza Well-Known Member

    MS66*

    OBV MS66
    REV MS67*

    Old holder MS66
     
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  8. longshot

    longshot Enthusiast Supporter

    66* to 67
     
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  9. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    MS66
    MS66*
     
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  10. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else Supporter

    MS66 to MS67
     
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  11. KBBPLL

    KBBPLL Well-Known Member

    MS65 to MS65. Since they've graded 285,266 coins for 1881-S, I'm just guessing that they're tough on them. That thing under OL is odd, looks like a thin piece of plastic wrap maybe.
     
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  12. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    65 - 65
     
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  13. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Original was MS 65. It got the color bump to 66. I just don’t see them going 67 on that date, although the coin is beautiful. 1881s coins are brutally graded.
     
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  14. chascat

    chascat Well-Known Member

    66-67
     
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  15. Tamaracian

    Tamaracian 12+ Yr Member--Supporter

    66* to 66+, what a monster-toned Reverse!
     
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  16. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    Close. The actual picture shows strong toning. The TrueView shows an over saturated reverse, that is monster toned. It has beautiful toning, but my bet is that it is more like the photos than the beauty contest picture. Since it was originally a fatty, I figured no star. In a modern NGC holder it would have been reverse mounted, with a star. That is also why I think it only got a 65 from NGC, as why would it have been submitted to PCGS if it were 66* or 67?
     
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  17. jtlee321

    jtlee321 Well-Known Member

    I'm at 66* by NGC. I think it was one of their early stars they gave out. I could see it getting 66+ from PCGS. 67 is very tough from PCGS with the marks on Liberty's cheek. Stunning Morgan either way!
     
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  18. Morgandude11

    Morgandude11 As long as it's Silver, I'm listening

    No reason to submit a 66* with that level of color, if it graded that high. I could sell an NGC 66* for big money, if it had graded high,especially a fatty.
     
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  19. ddddd

    ddddd Member

    *Grade reveal below*

    Here is the video:
    https://www.instagram.com/p/CAYLA0QHUrH/

    I consider it near-monster status (high end). The colors are wonderful in hand and this is my favorite reverse toner. It was never in a fatty. It was in a pre-prong (2004-2008 era) NGC holder. That one was MS 65 star; I cracked it as the coin was on par with a 67 that I owned and sent it to NGC several years ago. They gave it the same 65 star. I sat on it and submitted to PCGS in the show sub and they also called it a 65. I'm disappointed as I thought it was a minimum of a 66. Both NGC and PCGS have been conservative and did not want to reward the color with a bump. The only major disturbance is a few reeding marks on the cheek and they seem to blend in (aren't very noticeable). This is a technical 65 regardless of the color.
     
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  21. Mainebill

    Mainebill Bethany Danielle

    I was actually at 65 and stayed at 65. Before I read your reveal. Anything else it’s a 66. Other than an 80-81-s
     
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