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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 7648177, member: 56653"]I have no knowledge of Arabic and my knowledge of islamic history is very limited to the parts relevant about the contact between Europe/The Eastern Empire and Islam.</p><p><br /></p><p>That being said, I think that the contact with Roman (or romanized) culture is also what brought the 'dinar' to the Arabs and then in the muslim world more generally. Probably in a similar way in which 'dinero' came to mean money in general in Spanish, 'denaro' in Italian or 'argent' in French (or Occitan) -- note that Italian and Occitan have also 'soldi' and 'sous' (also terms with heavy and deep numismatic roots) as synonyms for 'money'. But this is not all -- Japanese has the general 'okane' as a noun for 'money' while the stem kanji 'kin' has as a primary meaning 'gold' and/or 'metal' in general.</p><p><br /></p><p>Back to the denarius/denier/denar/dinar, I think it's likely that the term became a colloquialism for 'money' rather early in Roman history and was kept in common speech (even after it became obsolete as a an actual physical coin at the end of the 3rd century) as monies of account. In fact the Vandal silver pieces were expressed in the 'denarius' denomination, so was the "siliqua" of the 6th century Eastern Empire probably. The silver coinages of the Merovingians were also 'denarii'. So this colloquialism was probably passed from culture to culture to be used where the language allowed for it to take root. It's an interesting instance of words going through history like living things, at least in a sort of darwinian sense anyway.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 7648177, member: 56653"]I have no knowledge of Arabic and my knowledge of islamic history is very limited to the parts relevant about the contact between Europe/The Eastern Empire and Islam. That being said, I think that the contact with Roman (or romanized) culture is also what brought the 'dinar' to the Arabs and then in the muslim world more generally. Probably in a similar way in which 'dinero' came to mean money in general in Spanish, 'denaro' in Italian or 'argent' in French (or Occitan) -- note that Italian and Occitan have also 'soldi' and 'sous' (also terms with heavy and deep numismatic roots) as synonyms for 'money'. But this is not all -- Japanese has the general 'okane' as a noun for 'money' while the stem kanji 'kin' has as a primary meaning 'gold' and/or 'metal' in general. Back to the denarius/denier/denar/dinar, I think it's likely that the term became a colloquialism for 'money' rather early in Roman history and was kept in common speech (even after it became obsolete as a an actual physical coin at the end of the 3rd century) as monies of account. In fact the Vandal silver pieces were expressed in the 'denarius' denomination, so was the "siliqua" of the 6th century Eastern Empire probably. The silver coinages of the Merovingians were also 'denarii'. So this colloquialism was probably passed from culture to culture to be used where the language allowed for it to take root. It's an interesting instance of words going through history like living things, at least in a sort of darwinian sense anyway.[/QUOTE]
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