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<p>[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 4191954, member: 75937"]These issues of Trebonianus Gallus with the IMP CC VIB TREB GALLVS AVG legend have been traditionally attributed to the mint at Mediolanum. Sear (RIC 5, vol. III, p. 227) notes there is considerable uncertainty about not only the location of the mint traditionally attributed to Mediolanum, but its actual operation during Gallus' reign. He writes,</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>"Rome continued to be the principal mint throughout this reign and was supplemented ... by antoniniani from Antioch .... Attempts have been made to identify a second provincial mint which produced silver coinage with a more abbreviated form of obverse legend than the regular products of Rome (IMP C C VIB instead of IMP CAE C VIB). Both Milan and Viminacium have been proposed as the source of these coins and it is also possible that they represent a separate issue from Rome itself. In the following listings they are described as 'uncertain mint'."</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>I don't believe the coins with the IMP CC VIB TREB GALLVS AVG legend are simply a product of the Rome mint with an alternative obverse inscription. In addition to stylistic differences in the portraits, the silver content of these issues is different than those of the Rome and Antioch mints. Gallus's coins of the Antioch mint average only 18.9% silver, whereas those issued in Rome were less debased (30.9%), with the least debased being the unknown branch mint previously believed to have been Mediolanum (37.9% silver). See Pannekeet's interesting paper about debasement <a href="https://www.academia.edu/3784962/A_theory_on_how_the_denarius_disappeared_and_the_debasement_of_the_antoninianus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/3784962/A_theory_on_how_the_denarius_disappeared_and_the_debasement_of_the_antoninianus" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p>The issues raised about the circumstances and location of its mintage resulted in a <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/one-of-the-scarcer-trebonianus-gallus-antoniniani.348139/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/one-of-the-scarcer-trebonianus-gallus-antoniniani.348139/">thought-provoking discussion</a>.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-ivno-martialis-mediolanum-antoninianus-jpg.1040375/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253.</p><p>Roman AR antoninianus, 3.14 g, 23.5 mm, 5 h.</p><p>Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252.</p><p>Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: IVNO MARTIALIS, Juno seated left, holding corn-ears (?) and scepter.</p><p>Refs: RIC 69; Cohen 46; RCV 9631; Hunter 49.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-libertas-pvblica-milan-antoninianus-jpg.1040377/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253.</p><p>Roman AR antoninianus, 3.01 g, 25 mm, 12 h.</p><p>Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252.</p><p>Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: LIBERTAS PVBLICA, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and transverse scepter.</p><p>Refs: RIC 70; Cohen 68; RCV 9636; Hunter 50.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1076196[/ATTACH]</p><p>Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253.</p><p>Roman AR antoninianus, 3.90 g, 21.4 mm, 7 h.</p><p>Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), 2nd emission, AD 252-253.</p><p>Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: PAX AETERNA, Pax standing left, holding branch and transverse scepter.</p><p>Refs: RIC 71; Cohen 76; RCV 9639, Hunter 51; ERIC II 40.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-pietas-avgg-antoninianus-jpg.903217/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253.</p><p>Roman AR Antoninianus, 3.69 g, 20.2 mm, 7 h.</p><p>Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252-253.</p><p>Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: PIETAS AVGG, Pietas standing left and raising both hands; altar at feet.</p><p>Refs: RIC 72; Cohen 88; RCV 9643; ERIC II 41.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-felicitas-pvbl-antoninianus-mediolanum-jpg.1030852/" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p>Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253.</p><p>Roman AR antoninianus, 3.60 g, 21.3 mm, 7 h.</p><p>Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 251-253.</p><p>Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right.</p><p>Rev: FELICITAS PVBL, Felicitas standing facing, head left, holding long caduceus and cornucopiae.</p><p>Refs: RIC 75; Cohen --; RCV --; ERIC II --; Wiczay 2509; Banduri p. 59.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Roman Collector, post: 4191954, member: 75937"]These issues of Trebonianus Gallus with the IMP CC VIB TREB GALLVS AVG legend have been traditionally attributed to the mint at Mediolanum. Sear (RIC 5, vol. III, p. 227) notes there is considerable uncertainty about not only the location of the mint traditionally attributed to Mediolanum, but its actual operation during Gallus' reign. He writes, [INDENT]"Rome continued to be the principal mint throughout this reign and was supplemented ... by antoniniani from Antioch .... Attempts have been made to identify a second provincial mint which produced silver coinage with a more abbreviated form of obverse legend than the regular products of Rome (IMP C C VIB instead of IMP CAE C VIB). Both Milan and Viminacium have been proposed as the source of these coins and it is also possible that they represent a separate issue from Rome itself. In the following listings they are described as 'uncertain mint'."[/INDENT] I don't believe the coins with the IMP CC VIB TREB GALLVS AVG legend are simply a product of the Rome mint with an alternative obverse inscription. In addition to stylistic differences in the portraits, the silver content of these issues is different than those of the Rome and Antioch mints. Gallus's coins of the Antioch mint average only 18.9% silver, whereas those issued in Rome were less debased (30.9%), with the least debased being the unknown branch mint previously believed to have been Mediolanum (37.9% silver). See Pannekeet's interesting paper about debasement [URL='https://www.academia.edu/3784962/A_theory_on_how_the_denarius_disappeared_and_the_debasement_of_the_antoninianus']here[/URL]. The issues raised about the circumstances and location of its mintage resulted in a [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/one-of-the-scarcer-trebonianus-gallus-antoniniani.348139/']thought-provoking discussion[/URL]. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-ivno-martialis-mediolanum-antoninianus-jpg.1040375/[/IMG] Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR antoninianus, 3.14 g, 23.5 mm, 5 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: IVNO MARTIALIS, Juno seated left, holding corn-ears (?) and scepter. Refs: RIC 69; Cohen 46; RCV 9631; Hunter 49. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-libertas-pvblica-milan-antoninianus-jpg.1040377/[/IMG] Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR antoninianus, 3.01 g, 25 mm, 12 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: LIBERTAS PVBLICA, Libertas standing left, holding pileus and transverse scepter. Refs: RIC 70; Cohen 68; RCV 9636; Hunter 50. [ATTACH=full]1076196[/ATTACH] Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR antoninianus, 3.90 g, 21.4 mm, 7 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), 2nd emission, AD 252-253. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: PAX AETERNA, Pax standing left, holding branch and transverse scepter. Refs: RIC 71; Cohen 76; RCV 9639, Hunter 51; ERIC II 40. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-pietas-avgg-antoninianus-jpg.903217/[/IMG] Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR Antoninianus, 3.69 g, 20.2 mm, 7 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 252-253. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: PIETAS AVGG, Pietas standing left and raising both hands; altar at feet. Refs: RIC 72; Cohen 88; RCV 9643; ERIC II 41. [IMG]https://www.cointalk.com/attachments/trebonianus-gallus-felicitas-pvbl-antoninianus-mediolanum-jpg.1030852/[/IMG] Trebonianus Gallus, AD 251-253. Roman AR antoninianus, 3.60 g, 21.3 mm, 7 h. Branch mint (traditionally attributed to Mediolanum), AD 251-253. Obv: IMP C C VIB TREB GALLVS AVG, radiate, draped and cuirassed bust, right. Rev: FELICITAS PVBL, Felicitas standing facing, head left, holding long caduceus and cornucopiae. Refs: RIC 75; Cohen --; RCV --; ERIC II --; Wiczay 2509; Banduri p. 59.[/QUOTE]
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