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Message:: [QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 3690296, member: 93371"]A recent internet listing for an 1804 "C-6" half cent was the motivation to pull this information together for presentation. I actually sent a note to the seller about the listed example (which he responded that it is genuine and came from a respected US auction house) as follows:[ATTACH=full]989161[/ATTACH] Coming from "a famous American auction house" really doesn't mean much in my opinion in the current environment of high grade counterfeits; I have documented fakes sold in 3 of the major ones here with all being in top Third Party Grader's slabs as well. In each case all that protects the buyer is his own knowledge and the auctions houses'/ TPG's guarantee, like yours. The 1804 C-6 is a commonly used platform for current counterfeits and always warrants a second look. In the case of yours I'll start with the obverse- I have included an image of yours to a known genuine example (attached). This die pairing ALWAYS has the spiked chin feature, but yours is diminished or tooled as you can see. Also the "finger prints" seen on all are also diminished on yours (image courtesy PCGS as well). On the reverse the die breaks of the early state only partially show on yours, from the fraction to "U"- most are tooled away, either in the die to strike this or the coin itself which should include a break through the tops of "MERIC" and at the top of "OF". From the images it doesn't appear the coin is doctored though. And yours appears to have a break over HALF which isn't seen in any die state of this variety. I am curious what the edge looks like- maybe you could post an image? I received no further responses and the internet selling venue removed the listing... [ATTACH=full]989163[/ATTACH]                       Obverse to a known genuine example courtesy PCGS [ATTACH=full]989166[/ATTACH]                      Reverse to a known genuine example courtesy PCGS [ATTACH=full]989170[/ATTACH]                  Image of attribution marks of this die pairing courtesy PCGS Going to my saved files I reviewed several other examples that actually have been submitted to Third Party Graders (TPG's) previously! The following one was submitted and not authenticated: [ATTACH=full]989171[/ATTACH]                        Same "die state" struck counterfeit courtesy NGC And the following submitted to another top TPG and also returned "body bagged": [ATTACH=full]989174[/ATTACH] And for the "all in the family" part of the story, the following were also submitted and returned: [ATTACH=full]989175[/ATTACH] And another! [ATTACH=full]989176[/ATTACH] We have seen every date from 1800 to 1808 with this same reverse- not really what is meant by "collect the whole series"! And as always one of the best ways to protect yourself from this type of fake for sale is to learn the series yourself. Buy the reference books, join a discussion group or club focused on your interests and ask other experienced members and friends. And review similar items on the internet- major auction house's sales archives and NGC's and PCGS's variety pages on line resources. There is nothing more deflating to anyone in the Hobby but especially new folks getting started than making this type of mistake purchase. Best, Jack D. Young EAC 5050[/QUOTE]

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