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<p>[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3296238, member: 93416"]Thanks for raising this here. I disagree that this is a problem. Adopting anything like a scientific approach demands we do do something just like that.</p><p><br /></p><p>Take an extreme example. I suspect when Homo Sapiens first came across Neanderthals they invented a name for them. Probably a bunch of names. But were any of those names “homo neanderthalensis”? Nope – they surely were not. Is that an argument for modern scientists to stop using that term? No – exactly because they have to have a name to carry on modern discussion.</p><p><br /></p><p>That is at essence the question we face with coins – although admittedly with coins it is a bit more complicated. A good few years back I suggested that the meaning of a medieval coin denomination “jital” be extended to cover a much bigger group of old coins. I explained exactly what I was doing when I did it. The name was being applied for to assist modern collectors, definitely not because it was universally applied in the medieval period. </p><p><br /></p><p>I immediately got criticisms from people who made just the point you do Doug. And also from others who wanted a different spelling. And even others who felt I pronounced it wrong! However, I also got support from people in numismatics, who understood what I was doing and why I was doing it. Perhaps most importantly Steve Album, but also folk at the BM etc. (I note now it even turns on on the denomination site Bob L linked to).</p><p><br /></p><p>Last year I got into a similar correspondence - about the use of denomination word “damma” in this new book</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Damma-qanhari-diminutive-600-1100/dp/8193829107" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Damma-qanhari-diminutive-600-1100/dp/8193829107" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Damma-qanhari-diminutive-600-1100/dp/8193829107</a></p><p><br /></p><p>The authors shared my view about such matters – in wishing to draw attention to a particular group of coins and give them an all embracing simple useful name. John Deyell had doubts about that idea, but I thought it a good plan, and although I have great regard for John’s opinions - I was still pleased when the authors stuck to their guns on that matter.</p><p><br /></p><p>It seems to me that really our difference here comes down to two contrary approaches. A <b>scientific </b>one vs a <b>legalistic</b> one. Now, I am not going go as far as to say “hang all the lawyers”, but I am going to object if they tend to obfuscate legitimate scientific approaches.</p><p><br /></p><p>On a separate matter. I agree with Grierson. An Athenian drachm theoretically weighs c. 4.37g. Now that is certainly open to debate, but I am very clear that it is wrong to say it weighs 4g. We can debate that another day maybe?</p><p><br /></p><p>many thanks for the criticism!</p><p><br /></p><p>Rob T[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="EWC3, post: 3296238, member: 93416"]Thanks for raising this here. I disagree that this is a problem. Adopting anything like a scientific approach demands we do do something just like that. Take an extreme example. I suspect when Homo Sapiens first came across Neanderthals they invented a name for them. Probably a bunch of names. But were any of those names “homo neanderthalensis”? Nope – they surely were not. Is that an argument for modern scientists to stop using that term? No – exactly because they have to have a name to carry on modern discussion. That is at essence the question we face with coins – although admittedly with coins it is a bit more complicated. A good few years back I suggested that the meaning of a medieval coin denomination “jital” be extended to cover a much bigger group of old coins. I explained exactly what I was doing when I did it. The name was being applied for to assist modern collectors, definitely not because it was universally applied in the medieval period. I immediately got criticisms from people who made just the point you do Doug. And also from others who wanted a different spelling. And even others who felt I pronounced it wrong! However, I also got support from people in numismatics, who understood what I was doing and why I was doing it. Perhaps most importantly Steve Album, but also folk at the BM etc. (I note now it even turns on on the denomination site Bob L linked to). Last year I got into a similar correspondence - about the use of denomination word “damma” in this new book [url]https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Damma-qanhari-diminutive-600-1100/dp/8193829107[/url] The authors shared my view about such matters – in wishing to draw attention to a particular group of coins and give them an all embracing simple useful name. John Deyell had doubts about that idea, but I thought it a good plan, and although I have great regard for John’s opinions - I was still pleased when the authors stuck to their guns on that matter. It seems to me that really our difference here comes down to two contrary approaches. A [B]scientific [/B]one vs a [B]legalistic[/B] one. Now, I am not going go as far as to say “hang all the lawyers”, but I am going to object if they tend to obfuscate legitimate scientific approaches. On a separate matter. I agree with Grierson. An Athenian drachm theoretically weighs c. 4.37g. Now that is certainly open to debate, but I am very clear that it is wrong to say it weighs 4g. We can debate that another day maybe? many thanks for the criticism! Rob T[/QUOTE]
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