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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2842639, member: 19463"]This post bothers me a little because it omits the reason why RIC 200 is separated from RIC 184. The issue of which 184 was a part was shared by father Constantine, Constantine II and Constantius II. The next issue added coins for the newly appointed Caesars Constans and Delmatius but before long they stopped making the two standards coins and switched to the lighter weight one standard design. Any coins of Constans with two standards are just a little special because he was made Caesar rather shortly before they dropped the standard(s). Eagle eyed numismatists noted that coins of Constans had the C of EXERCITVS moved from the top to the right side so they figured coins of the three people who made coins in both series could be separated according to the C position into those made before Constans and those made after he joined the group. That is serious flyspecking for 99% of collectors but it is the sort of thing specialists look for.</p><p><br /></p><p>I do not have the Constantius II from either group but I do have both for Constantine II. First below is high C RIC 184 rated C3 so it was made before Constans.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]672922[/ATTACH] </p><p>Second is the C at the right RIC 199 rated R1 issed after Constans was around <u>OR</u> possibly a few days before since we really don't know how long after the C was moved that Constans started. I would like to see a Constans with the high C which would show that they were working from a backlog of dies and this separation is really more of a 'just happens' than intentional. Looking at thousands of Constans RIC 201 coins might turn up one but that is a job for some intern at the British museum - not for me. I am not a specialist.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]672923[/ATTACH] </p><p>I might add that my records show I bought the two coins shown here from the same dealer on the same day in 1998 for $10 each. My records show 17 coins that day from that dealer with prices ranging from $5 to $15. I do not remember the event but it 'smells' like a bulk lot. One of the 17 was given to someone here because it failed to sell in two JA sales. Thank you for pointing out I should keep both of these coins to illustrate the point. Why I did not dispose of one of them is wholly beyond me. I did have the RIC numbers listed correctly so I knew they were different but I usually don't keep flyspeck differences unless they are Septimius Severus (of course!). </p><p><br /></p><p>I do. I assume you still have the denarius it cost me.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 2842639, member: 19463"]This post bothers me a little because it omits the reason why RIC 200 is separated from RIC 184. The issue of which 184 was a part was shared by father Constantine, Constantine II and Constantius II. The next issue added coins for the newly appointed Caesars Constans and Delmatius but before long they stopped making the two standards coins and switched to the lighter weight one standard design. Any coins of Constans with two standards are just a little special because he was made Caesar rather shortly before they dropped the standard(s). Eagle eyed numismatists noted that coins of Constans had the C of EXERCITVS moved from the top to the right side so they figured coins of the three people who made coins in both series could be separated according to the C position into those made before Constans and those made after he joined the group. That is serious flyspecking for 99% of collectors but it is the sort of thing specialists look for. I do not have the Constantius II from either group but I do have both for Constantine II. First below is high C RIC 184 rated C3 so it was made before Constans. [ATTACH=full]672922[/ATTACH] Second is the C at the right RIC 199 rated R1 issed after Constans was around [U]OR[/U] possibly a few days before since we really don't know how long after the C was moved that Constans started. I would like to see a Constans with the high C which would show that they were working from a backlog of dies and this separation is really more of a 'just happens' than intentional. Looking at thousands of Constans RIC 201 coins might turn up one but that is a job for some intern at the British museum - not for me. I am not a specialist. [ATTACH=full]672923[/ATTACH] I might add that my records show I bought the two coins shown here from the same dealer on the same day in 1998 for $10 each. My records show 17 coins that day from that dealer with prices ranging from $5 to $15. I do not remember the event but it 'smells' like a bulk lot. One of the 17 was given to someone here because it failed to sell in two JA sales. Thank you for pointing out I should keep both of these coins to illustrate the point. Why I did not dispose of one of them is wholly beyond me. I did have the RIC numbers listed correctly so I knew they were different but I usually don't keep flyspeck differences unless they are Septimius Severus (of course!). I do. I assume you still have the denarius it cost me.[/QUOTE]
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