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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;seth77, post: 3599504, member: 56653&quot;]I think it is very unlikely that Robert III actually minted himself. These <i>deniers parisii</i> are very likely of Robert II, minted during the 1190s and maybe later to 1200, at the same time with the <i>parisii </i>of King Philippe II. The wear on these coins from Gisors also indicates that they circulated intensely before being hoarded around 1244. It is also similar to the wear that the Royal <i>parisii</i> of Philippe II show, so that might add to the probability of them being contemporary. </p><p><br /></p><p>Now, Boudeau did not know about Gisors, so he did the logical thing and assigned the <i>parisii</i> to Robert de France, son of Louis VI and brother of Louis VII, so to the 1140s, contemporary to the ones minted by Louis in the eve of the Second Crusade. I think that without the hoard of Gisors, this identification would still hold water, although the stylistic aspects of the lettering also indicate a late to end of the 12th century rather than the 1140s. </p><p><br /></p><p>There is also another aspect, more administrative: Philippe II Augustus actively encouraged his kinfolk in center and northern France to follow his monetary type and its title in a bid to unify the coinage of the realms. This attempt went as far as to co-opt the coinage of Champagne, which although kept its design features, was accepted at a parity of 1 to 1 to the <i>denier parisis</i> starting with Thibaut IV, whenever he started minting, perhaps around 1210, due to a parity of weight and billon title, following the<i> livre parisis</i>.</p><p><br /></p><p>There were other realms who minted the denomination at around the same time, as part of this monetary policy supported by the King of France -- the County of Boulogne, the County of Vermandois, the County of Ponthieu for instance.</p><p><br /></p><p>In Abbeville Guillaume III Talvas de Belleme minted his <i>parisii</i> as Count of Ponthieu around 1191-1210/20(?), and here is another specimen from the hoard of Gisors:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]963006[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><font size="3">Guillaume III Talvas de Belleme as Count of Ponthieu (1191-1221)</font></p><p><font size="3"><br /></font></p><p><font size="3">AR21mm, 0.55g, silver denier parisis, Abbeville mint, cca. 1191-1210.</font></p><p><font size="3">&nbsp;</font></p><p><font size="3">+ WIIILEM COMES; PON / TIV in field in 2 lines</font></p><p><font size="3">+ ABBATIS VILLE; cross with pellet in 1st and 4th quarters.</font></p><p><font size="3">Boudeau 1928, Poey d&#039;Avant #6703</font></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It&#039;s another rather scarce instance of a baronial <i>parisis</i>.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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