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<p>[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3867720, member: 56653"]To revive this thread, here is the <i>tournois poitevin</i> minted by Alphonse:</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1022399[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><i><font size="3">AR19mm 1.06g billon denier tournois (299/1000), Montreuil-Bonnin(?) mint, cca. 1248-1250.</font></i></p><p><i><font size="3"> + ALFVNSVS ' COMES; cross</font></i></p><p><i><font size="3"> + PICTAVIENTSIS; chateau tournois fleurdelise.</font></i></p><p><i><font size="3">Poey d'Avant 2582, cf. Boudeau 431 p. 54.</font></i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> The <i>denier tournois</i> starts being minted in Poitou at the end of the 1240s, very likely on the occasion of the Seventh Crusade, for which Alphonse took great expenditures in order to join and support with his retinue the campaign of Louis IX to Egypt (on October 24th 1249 he was at Damietta).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1022406[/ATTACH]</p><p><i><font size="3">King Louis IX and his brothers Alphonse de France and Robert I d'Artois at Damietta and Al-Mansourah in 1249/50.</font></i></p><p><br /></p><p>Originally the coinage was minted at the standard of the Royal <i>tournois</i> of Louis, with the intention to have it circulating at a parity with the Royal coinage during the preparations for the Crusade, but after the mid 1250s the <i>poitevin</i> coinage started to drop in weight and title (a similar situation as with the <i>tournois provencal</i> of Charles I d'Anjou). By 1263, Louis no longer accepted the <i>tournois poitevin</i> or <i>provencal </i>and the types were eventually discontinued in the French realms and pushed east, towards Outremer around 1267, following the Treaty of Viterbo and the Angevin overlordship in the Morea.</p><p><br /></p><p>The present specimen, at a high weight and billon quality, is likely one of the first issues, minted before or during the first phases of the Seventh Crusade to pay for common expenses. The legend ALFVNSVS seems to be the earliest variation (not recorded by Boudeau, possibly by mistake), as by the 1250s it changed to the shorter ALFVNS, the same ortography that would be employed on the <i>poitevin neuf</i> of 1264 (see above).[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="seth77, post: 3867720, member: 56653"]To revive this thread, here is the [I]tournois poitevin[/I] minted by Alphonse: [ATTACH=full]1022399[/ATTACH] [I][SIZE=3]AR19mm 1.06g billon denier tournois (299/1000), Montreuil-Bonnin(?) mint, cca. 1248-1250. + ALFVNSVS ' COMES; cross + PICTAVIENTSIS; chateau tournois fleurdelise. Poey d'Avant 2582, cf. Boudeau 431 p. 54.[/SIZE][/I] The [I]denier tournois[/I] starts being minted in Poitou at the end of the 1240s, very likely on the occasion of the Seventh Crusade, for which Alphonse took great expenditures in order to join and support with his retinue the campaign of Louis IX to Egypt (on October 24th 1249 he was at Damietta). [ATTACH=full]1022406[/ATTACH] [I][SIZE=3]King Louis IX and his brothers Alphonse de France and Robert I d'Artois at Damietta and Al-Mansourah in 1249/50.[/SIZE][/I] Originally the coinage was minted at the standard of the Royal [I]tournois[/I] of Louis, with the intention to have it circulating at a parity with the Royal coinage during the preparations for the Crusade, but after the mid 1250s the [I]poitevin[/I] coinage started to drop in weight and title (a similar situation as with the [I]tournois provencal[/I] of Charles I d'Anjou). By 1263, Louis no longer accepted the [I]tournois poitevin[/I] or [I]provencal [/I]and the types were eventually discontinued in the French realms and pushed east, towards Outremer around 1267, following the Treaty of Viterbo and the Angevin overlordship in the Morea. The present specimen, at a high weight and billon quality, is likely one of the first issues, minted before or during the first phases of the Seventh Crusade to pay for common expenses. The legend ALFVNSVS seems to be the earliest variation (not recorded by Boudeau, possibly by mistake), as by the 1250s it changed to the shorter ALFVNS, the same ortography that would be employed on the [I]poitevin neuf[/I] of 1264 (see above).[/QUOTE]
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