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Message:: [QUOTE="seth77, post: 3502698, member: 56653"]About Alphonse de France as Count of Toulouse I have written an entry a few months ago (It can be read here: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/alphonse-de-france-son-of-a-king-brother-of-two-kings-crusader-and-peer-of-france.329959/#post-3290764" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/alphonse-de-france-son-of-a-king-brother-of-two-kings-crusader-and-peer-of-france.329959/#post-3290764">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/alphonse-de-france-son-of-a-king-brother-of-two-kings-crusader-and-peer-of-france.329959/#post-3290764</a>) But before getting the hand of Jeanne de Toulouse in marriage and thus securing the inheritance of an old adversary of the Capetians, Raymond VII de Toulouse, the minor Alphonse received as appanage from his father, King Louis VIII of France, the County of Poitou (and Auvergne) as early as 1225. Both this granted appanage and the on and off-going conflict, brought on by the fallout from the Albigensian Crusade, pitted Capetian interests against the Saint-Gilles of Toulouse and the Marquisate de Provence, which culminated with the Saintoge War and the Battle of Taillebourg, where the combined armies of Louis IX of France and Alphonse achieved a brilliant victory over the Lusignans and their liege lord Henry III of England, in 1242. As a result of this battle, and due to a very astute policy by the winning side, Hugo X de Lusignan was allowed to save face and keep many of his possesions while the Plantagenet interests lost much of their influence in the Poitevin realms. The Saintoge War and especially Taillebourg added to the blows dealt by the Capetians to the Plantagenets, which had started with the great losses endured by John Lackland at the beginning of the 1200s. The denier ou poitevin is well known from the very numerous issues of the type minted for Richard Coeur de Lion in the 1190s (and perhaps even later as an immobilized type?) [ATTACH=full]928240[/ATTACH]Richard Plantagenet as King of England and Count of Poitou, cca. 1189-1196, possibly even later into the early phases of John's reign. In 1263, Louis IX gave an ordonnance forbidding liege realms from minting imitation coinage after the royal types, especially the denier tournois, which had been the Poitevin coinage at least since 1250. As a result, Alphonse de France reverts to the earlier Plantagenet era coinage, calling his new denomination denier ou poitevin neuf, around cca. 1264. [ATTACH=full]928241[/ATTACH]Denier ou poitevin neuf by Alphonse de France, after 1264. This new coin was minted about 1264-1268 and again in 1271 at Montreuil-Bonnin and kept the overall specifications of the denier tournois (which is what separates the new coin from the older pre-Capetian coinage of Poitou, that was struck from higher title billon) while adopting the earlier design. + ALFVNS ' COMES; Cross, lys in third quarterPIC / TAVIE / NSIS in three lines.Boudeau 429 p.54, Poey d'Avant 2578, Pl. 55 no. 1, Duplessy 929. In term of design, the important distinction (which was also employed on the toulousains which were minted by him starting with 1249/50) is the lys, used as symbol of Alphonse's Capetian family and his position as Prince of France. After the death of Alphonse without leaving heirs in 1271 a controversy began between the Crown of France and Charles d'Anjou for his lands, but by 1283 it was ruled by the liege courts to revert the County of Poitou, along with almost all lands owned by Alphonse and Jeanne, to the Royal demesne.[/QUOTE]

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