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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;SuperDave, post: 2396703, member: 1892&quot;]That only happens because so many people refuse to adhere to the <b>actual definition</b> of &quot;cud&quot; and &quot;rim cud,&quot; which are one and the same thing. The latter term is a bit redundant, because <b>all</b> cuds involve the rim in one sense or another. There are too many people who refuse to understand numismatics has trade-specific definitions of certain words, and won&#039;t adhere to that norm. They&#039;re an annoyance, and wouldn&#039;t last long in an Engineering or Chemistry classroom. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>There are cuds which are formed by a piece on the edge of the die breaking off: a &quot;Retained cud,&quot; where the piece is separated from the rest of the die but still present, and a &quot;full cud,&quot; where that piece has departed and just raw metal fills the void. Then there are cuds formed by a piece of the collar breaking away, called (unsurprisingly) &quot;Collar cuds.&quot; These can cause metal to flow over onto die space, in which case they become a bit debatable unless you have the coin in hand and can see the metal &quot;folded over.&quot; Most normally, though, collar cuds stay in the area where they occur, and infringe only into the rim gutter of the die, if at all. Collar cuds can likely sometimes be mistaken for worn finning.</p><p><br /></p><p>This coin appears to show what we&#039;d call a &quot;full cud&quot; on the lower artifact, from the shape of the intrusion towards the rim. The break (as with the upper, smaller artifact) originated at the dot, I think, and progressed towards the rim until it was complete. The upper artifact is an earlier state of the lower, and if it continued would eventually form something similar. </p><p><br /></p><p>At and above the &quot;E&quot; I see what are likely smaller versions of the same, where the rim gutter itself has fractured. These, I think, are proceeding from the outside in.</p><p><br /></p><p>Makes me wonder if there are later die states of this one where the whole shebang has crumbled. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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