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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4629415, member: 19463"]I strongly suggest anyone with interest in plated coins read the Campbell book on them. I suggested it when you had to but a hardcopy but now it is free online:</p><p><a href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan10308" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan10308" rel="nofollow">http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan10308</a></p><p><br /></p><p>If everyone read Campbell we would not have all the confusion of what is a fourree and what is not. I guess this is just another matter of opinions not all matching up but my early exposure to the question did not use the term for silver washed coins, fakes that were not plated and coins with copper deposits on top of the silver. </p><p><br /></p><p>I probably have as many fourrees as anyone and show some on my old webpages:</p><p><a href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/fourree.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/fourree.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/fourree.html</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I stopped buying them when they got popular and people started paying what I considered way too much for poor examples. Most of my recent ones have been shown on CT way too often. I am, however, fond of a couple.</p><p><br /></p><p>Persia 1/3 siglos Type II</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1145365[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>One of my favorite fourrees is this tetradrachm of Arados 185BC using the Alexander types. It has obvious core on the eagle and several other random patches. I bought it from Frank Robinson in 1989 correctly listed as plated but soon discovered a die duplicate even lighter than my coin (13.8g) which had been consigned to Tom Cederlind (list 85,43) and listed as solid. I reported it to him and it was delisted. I assume he returned it to the consignor who then tried to sell it through an auction (I wish I remembered which one) who also withdrew it on being made aware of the plating. That coin has very, very little core exposure and probably resides in some collection of a collector who does not weigh his coins. I would love to know where that coin is today. It was centered so as to show the exergue date OE (75) which allowed me to date my coin to that year 185BC. I have not seen an Arados of this type later than OE and would like to see other coins of this series dated later if anyone has them.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1145366[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Also of Arados is this fourree drachm of the Ephesis type dated year 100 (P) according to Sear who takes the DI as a monogram rather than part of the date. I have never seen a coin of this type not dated simply P but would appreciate the link if anyone has one. I have seen enough fourrees of Arados to suggest looking closely at high grade silver coins of that period. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1145369[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Fourrees are interesting but should sell for a lot less than solid coins especially when they have a lot of ugly core exposure. I always avoided ones with irregular and patchy core preferring coins with core that followed the design as on this bee. We each pay what we believe to be appropriate and I prefer attractive patterns unless the coin is very rare and I had to take it or have none. Fourrees are fun but properly avoided by most collectors and all investors.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 4629415, member: 19463"]I strongly suggest anyone with interest in plated coins read the Campbell book on them. I suggested it when you had to but a hardcopy but now it is free online: [URL]http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan10308[/URL] If everyone read Campbell we would not have all the confusion of what is a fourree and what is not. I guess this is just another matter of opinions not all matching up but my early exposure to the question did not use the term for silver washed coins, fakes that were not plated and coins with copper deposits on top of the silver. I probably have as many fourrees as anyone and show some on my old webpages: [URL]http://www.forumancientcoins.com/dougsmith/fourree.html[/URL] I stopped buying them when they got popular and people started paying what I considered way too much for poor examples. Most of my recent ones have been shown on CT way too often. I am, however, fond of a couple. Persia 1/3 siglos Type II [ATTACH=full]1145365[/ATTACH] One of my favorite fourrees is this tetradrachm of Arados 185BC using the Alexander types. It has obvious core on the eagle and several other random patches. I bought it from Frank Robinson in 1989 correctly listed as plated but soon discovered a die duplicate even lighter than my coin (13.8g) which had been consigned to Tom Cederlind (list 85,43) and listed as solid. I reported it to him and it was delisted. I assume he returned it to the consignor who then tried to sell it through an auction (I wish I remembered which one) who also withdrew it on being made aware of the plating. That coin has very, very little core exposure and probably resides in some collection of a collector who does not weigh his coins. I would love to know where that coin is today. It was centered so as to show the exergue date OE (75) which allowed me to date my coin to that year 185BC. I have not seen an Arados of this type later than OE and would like to see other coins of this series dated later if anyone has them. [ATTACH=full]1145366[/ATTACH] Also of Arados is this fourree drachm of the Ephesis type dated year 100 (P) according to Sear who takes the DI as a monogram rather than part of the date. I have never seen a coin of this type not dated simply P but would appreciate the link if anyone has one. I have seen enough fourrees of Arados to suggest looking closely at high grade silver coins of that period. [ATTACH=full]1145369[/ATTACH] Fourrees are interesting but should sell for a lot less than solid coins especially when they have a lot of ugly core exposure. I always avoided ones with irregular and patchy core preferring coins with core that followed the design as on this bee. We each pay what we believe to be appropriate and I prefer attractive patterns unless the coin is very rare and I had to take it or have none. Fourrees are fun but properly avoided by most collectors and all investors.[/QUOTE]
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