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Message:: [QUOTE="Conder101, post: 2186812, member: 66"]Odd sounds like you agree completely.  I said Congress usually specifies designs in general terms, you mention the requirement the Jefferson has to appear on the nickel, but they don't saw what the portrait has to look like. (and there have been three different portraits of him in the past eleven years.  This isn't a disagreement. I said the CACC only votes on what they are given  and suggests changes, they don't propose designs.  You mention they have rejected all the designs sometimes.  Sounds like they voted no on all of them.  Again we are in agreement. I said the mint dies not have the authority to change designs.  That would be approved designs.  You mention the state quarters, specifically the Missouri quarter.  Most if not all of the winning state design submissions were modified by the "poor artists", read as engraving staff, before they were given final approval.  So the blame for poor design goes to the artists not the mint executives.  As for the fractional buffalos and their one year only use, that has nothing to do with the design, unless you are of the opinion that the buffalo design is "crappy". On the matter of the Sec Treas, I said that could be a valid complaint because he had failed to exercise his authority.  You say he is a figurehead and lackey whu acts like he does everything but actually does nothing.  Sounds like we are in agreement here as well.[/QUOTE]