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<p>[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4579245, member: 99456"]Thanks for your post, interesting coin of Tralles, and thought provoking questions. As my primary focus is the Roman republic, I find these cistophoric tetradrachms interesting and I inevitably get caught up in "incredibly obscure questions".</p><p><br /></p><p>On page 166 of “Ancient Greek Coins”, GK Jenkins writes: "the so-called ‘cistophoric’ coins of the cities in the Pergamene kingdom, which started at the time of Eumenes II and which are distinguished only by the most uninspiring of all Greek coins designs (the cista mystica and a bow case with writhing snakes)".</p><p><br /></p><p>I side more with Kleiner <a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503" rel="nofollow">who writes</a>: "Among the coinages of the Hellenistic world, the cistophori are perhaps the most remarkable."</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-late-republican-cistophorus-from-unknown.333719/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-late-republican-cistophorus-from-unknown.333719/">my post from last year</a> on one of these coins (also shown by [USER=88526]@Jay GT4[/USER]). With your post, I will add "Roman republican provincials" to the list of coins that I collect <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> It is conveniently simple to classify ancients into Greek, Roman, and other, but clearly there is<a href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Roman%20Provincial%20or%20Greek%20Imperial" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Roman%20Provincial%20or%20Greek%20Imperial" rel="nofollow"> a bit more complexity</a> than that.</p><p><br /></p><p>My <strike>three</strike> four favorite reference books for Cistophori:</p><ul> <li>Kleiner, F. S., & Noe, S. P. (1977). <a href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795" rel="nofollow"><i>The Early Cistophoric Coinage</i></a>. New York: American Numismatic Society</li> <li>W.E. Metcalf “<a href="http://numismatics.org/store/metcalf/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/store/metcalf/" rel="nofollow">The Later Republican Cistophori</a>” ISBN 978-0-89722-347-8 Hardcover, 184 pages</li> <li>Peter Thonemann, <i><a href="https://www.amazon.com/Attalid-Asia-Minor-International-Relations/dp/0199656118" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.amazon.com/Attalid-Asia-Minor-International-Relations/dp/0199656118" rel="nofollow">Attalid Asia Minor: Money, International Relations, and the State</a>.</i> Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2013. xviii, 335</li> <li>Pinder (1856). <a href="https://archive.org/details/berdiecistophore00pind/page/558/mode/2up" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/berdiecistophore00pind/page/558/mode/2up" rel="nofollow">Über die Cistophoren und über die Kaiserlichen Silbermedaillons der römischen Provinz Asia</a>. Berlin: Akademie der Wissenschaften.</li> </ul><p>Kleiner and Noe note:</p><blockquote><p>"The Tralles cistophori of 128-85 B.C. are not within the scope of this volume, but it should be mentioned that their format is little different from that of Series 42-47, the only change being that the monogram is replaced by a name always reduced to its first four letters (<a href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795#fig-350" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795#fig-350" rel="nofollow"> Plate XXVIII, 12</a>)."</p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p>and Metcalf has a section on Later Roman Republican Cistophori from Tralles.</p><p><br /></p><p>Although I do not have a Cistophoric Tetradrachm of Tralles, I will add this one that I picked up not long ago. One might be able to guess why this particular coin was of interest.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1133920[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>Ionia, Ephesos</b>, circa 180-67 BC, AR Tetradrachm, Cistophoric standard</p><p><b>Date: </b>NE or CY 55 from formation of the province of Asia 134/133 (80/79 BC) - the end of Sulla's reign in Rome</p><p><b>Obv:</b> Cista mystica with serpent; all within ivy wreath</p><p><b>Rev: </b>Two serpents entwined around bow and bowcase; above, Artemis; to left, NE (date) above EΦE, torch to right</p><p><b>Ref: </b>Kleiner "<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503" rel="nofollow">The Dated Cistophori of Ephesus</a>" 56</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1133925[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Sulla80, post: 4579245, member: 99456"]Thanks for your post, interesting coin of Tralles, and thought provoking questions. As my primary focus is the Roman republic, I find these cistophoric tetradrachms interesting and I inevitably get caught up in "incredibly obscure questions". On page 166 of “Ancient Greek Coins”, GK Jenkins writes: "the so-called ‘cistophoric’ coins of the cities in the Pergamene kingdom, which started at the time of Eumenes II and which are distinguished only by the most uninspiring of all Greek coins designs (the cista mystica and a bow case with writhing snakes)". I side more with Kleiner [URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503']who writes[/URL]: "Among the coinages of the Hellenistic world, the cistophori are perhaps the most remarkable." Here's [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/a-late-republican-cistophorus-from-unknown.333719/']my post from last year[/URL] on one of these coins (also shown by [USER=88526]@Jay GT4[/USER]). With your post, I will add "Roman republican provincials" to the list of coins that I collect :) It is conveniently simple to classify ancients into Greek, Roman, and other, but clearly there is[URL='https://www.forumancientcoins.com/numiswiki/view.asp?key=Roman%20Provincial%20or%20Greek%20Imperial'] a bit more complexity[/URL] than that. My [S]three[/S] four favorite reference books for Cistophori: [LIST] [*]Kleiner, F. S., & Noe, S. P. (1977). [URL='http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795'][I]The Early Cistophoric Coinage[/I][/URL]. New York: American Numismatic Society [*]W.E. Metcalf “[URL='http://numismatics.org/store/metcalf/']The Later Republican Cistophori[/URL]” ISBN 978-0-89722-347-8 Hardcover, 184 pages [*]Peter Thonemann, [I][URL='https://www.amazon.com/Attalid-Asia-Minor-International-Relations/dp/0199656118']Attalid Asia Minor: Money, International Relations, and the State[/URL].[/I] Oxford; New York: Oxford University Press, 2013. xviii, 335 [*]Pinder (1856). [URL='https://archive.org/details/berdiecistophore00pind/page/558/mode/2up']Über die Cistophoren und über die Kaiserlichen Silbermedaillons der römischen Provinz Asia[/URL]. Berlin: Akademie der Wissenschaften. [/LIST] Kleiner and Noe note: [INDENT]"The Tralles cistophori of 128-85 B.C. are not within the scope of this volume, but it should be mentioned that their format is little different from that of Series 42-47, the only change being that the monogram is replaced by a name always reduced to its first four letters ([URL='http://numismatics.org/digitallibrary/ark:/53695/nnan30795#fig-350'] Plate XXVIII, 12[/URL])."[/INDENT] and Metcalf has a section on Later Roman Republican Cistophori from Tralles. Although I do not have a Cistophoric Tetradrachm of Tralles, I will add this one that I picked up not long ago. One might be able to guess why this particular coin was of interest. [ATTACH=full]1133920[/ATTACH] [B]Ionia, Ephesos[/B], circa 180-67 BC, AR Tetradrachm, Cistophoric standard [B]Date: [/B]NE or CY 55 from formation of the province of Asia 134/133 (80/79 BC) - the end of Sulla's reign in Rome [B]Obv:[/B] Cista mystica with serpent; all within ivy wreath [B]Rev: [/B]Two serpents entwined around bow and bowcase; above, Artemis; to left, NE (date) above EΦE, torch to right [B]Ref: [/B]Kleiner "[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/43573503']The Dated Cistophori of Ephesus[/URL]" 56 [ATTACH=full]1133925[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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