A bunch of jitals

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  1. Muhammad Niazi

    Muhammad Niazi Well-Known Member

    Holding a bunch of small jitals in the hand is pretty satisfying.

    Finally I found access to a pdf of the main catalogue of Tyes Jitals book. So I decided to round up the jitals I have (not including the shahi lion elephant types because I got lazy).

    Obverse:
    IMG_20191104_133924.jpg

    Reverse:
    IMG_20191104_134516.jpg

    IDs:
    First row (left to right)

    1,2,3: these are variations of Tye 241 Qunduz? mint. Ala-ud-din, khwarezm shahs. 1200-1220AD

    4. tye 30, unatributed

    5. Tye 294, ghazna, Ala ud din, khwarezm, 1200-1220AD

    6. copper unit variation of tye 17, As he mentions, all the silver jitals have a smaller copper brother. Samanta, Hindu Shahi, 850-1000AD.

    7,8,9: These are all listed as anonymous. from 900-1200AD. Tye 35.

    Ive got 14 more to post and ill do that in a whilem time for a nap.
     
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  3. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    What is a jital?

    No single article in Wikipedia has that title. Several articles about rulers mention their coins or economies, but nothing in detail about the coinage.

    I found them at the FitzWilliam Museum, ma-shops, and CoinArchives, but nice as the pictures are, context is lacking.

    Apparently, silver and copper jitals both were struck, but the jital is most commonly a copper coin. The contemporaneous silvers had other names.

    When you wake up from your nap, can you provide some history?
     
  4. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    The Jitals are a category of coins in silver, billon and copper minted between 750 and 1250AD in the area which is now East-Afghanistan, Pakistan and North-West India. These coins are derived from, or related to, the Bull and Horseman coins which were minted under the Shahi of Kabul. The basic design of these coins, with a bull on one side and a mounted horseman on the other, formed the archetype for the coinage for daily use in the area for circa 500 years.
    At the time these coins probably were not all called Jitals. The use of the name as a category mainly has a numismatic grouping purpose.

    Below an example of a very early type from the Kabul region:
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  5. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    And in response to the attributions:
    - Tye#17 and 30 are both rare, these are more probably Tye#33 specimen.
    - The first indeed is a Tye#241, also with the first part of the title "Sikandar al-Thani" visible below the bull. The other top two are variations not in Tye. The symbol on the bull on these is known for Ghorid ruler Jalal-ud-din Ali (Tye#169), though.
     
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  6. Muhammad Niazi

    Muhammad Niazi Well-Known Member

    Thanks @THCoins for filling in about jitals.

    Yea I couldnt find that 4 petal symbol in the catalogue. The version I got from academia only shows the main class of coins and not its variants.
    Also thanks for the correction with #33. most of the varieties have a minor script difference and it is off flan I guess it gets harder to attribute to a specific type.
     
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  7. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    How do you tell these from Mahi Pala Tye 39?
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  8. Muhammad Niazi

    Muhammad Niazi Well-Known Member

    The hump in type 39 is short and round while in 35 its elongated. Now that you mention it coin number 7 does resemble type 39. But 8 and 9 lacks the cut seperating the hump from lower body
     
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  9. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    COOL Jitals @Muhammad Niazi !

    I only have a few:

    GHAZNA
    Islamic Ghorids of Ghazna AE Jital Muhammad Sam Mu'izz al-Din AH 567-602 - AD 1171-1206.JPG
    Islamic Ghorids of Ghazna AE Jital Muhammad Sam Mu'izz al-Din AH 567-602 - AD 1171-1206


    GENGHIS KHAN
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    Mongols-Ghazna mint Khwarezm Genghis Khan 1206-1227 CE AE Jital Islamic RARE - only The Just Kahn in title Album 1969 Tye 329


    HUNS
    HUNS Nezak Huns - Spalapati Deva AR Jital 750-850 CE Horseman-Bull Tye 5.JPG

    HUNS Nezak Huns - Spalapati Deva AR Jital 750-850 CE Horseman-Bull Tye 5
     
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  10. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

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  11. Muhammad Niazi

    Muhammad Niazi Well-Known Member

    Heres some more jitals

    obverse:

    IMG_20191104_134830.jpg

    reverse:
    IMG_20191104_134958.jpg

    IDs:
    First row (left to right)

    1. Tye 418, Muhammad II, sultans of delhi, 1296-1315AD

    2. tye 347, Nasir al din Muhammad Qarluq, Qarlughids, 1249-1260AD

    3. tye 419, Muhammad II, sultans of delhi, 1296-1316AD

    4. tye 409, Balban, sultans of delhi, 1266-1287AD

    5. This ones rather interesting. its the only one where the bull is facing to the right instead of the standard left. Tye 163 is an anonymous issue which has a bull to the right. The symbol on the bull however is different and the script is also dofferent. Thoughts?

    6. some variation of tye 110, bahramshah, ghaznavids, 1118-1152AD.

    7. tye 226, ala ud din, khwarezm shahs, 1200-1220AD.

    8,9. tye 199, Yildiz, 1206-1215AD
     
  12. Muhammad Niazi

    Muhammad Niazi Well-Known Member

    Ive got the same one!!

    IMG-20191104-WA0098.jpg IMG-20191104-WA0097.jpg
     
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  13. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    Yes it is, as it nicely complements my thoughts on the ones with the four petal symbol. All three are coins issued in the name of Ghorid ruler Jalal-ud-din Ali ( 1206-15AD) from the Bamiyan region. The ones with the 4 petals are close to Tye#169.3 (but the name on the horse differs). The one with the bull to the right is Tye#169.2. Not only the bull is to the right, also the text above the bull is mirrored. You can just recognize the beginning of "Jalal" جلال on the rump of the horse behind the horseman.
     
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  14. Spaniard

    Spaniard Well-Known Member

    Very nice coins......I do have a few types...
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    Shahis of Ohind AE Jital of Vakka Deva around 870 AD...Diameter 18mm and 1.9 grams.
    Obv. Elephant facing left with the name "Sri Vakka Deva" above in Nagari.
    Rev. Lion to the right with gaping mouth, tongue out and one front paw raised. Diamond symbol in the rump.
    1-samanta_deva_with_text.jpg

    1-chahata_deva_with_text.jpg
     
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  15. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    To show a bit later Jital, here is one issued under the Rajas of Narwar. The horseman is very much abstracted, the bull has been exchanged for a text in Nagari script. The legend names the ruler Malaya Varma Deva. Nice thing about this type is that it is dated in the last text line. Here it reads VS1286 of the Vikram Samvat era. This translates to 1229AD.
    MalayaS3w.jpg
     
  16. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    Can you show examples of heavy jitals Tye 1 or 2?
    4.24g
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  17. Deacon Ray

    Deacon Ray Coins of Judaea Supporter

    That’s a very interesting group of coins @Muhammad Niazi ! We’re fortunate to have you as a member of the Ancients Forum. Although I don’t collect the coins of ancient and medieval India, I am always fascinated when I see them. I collect Indo-Scythian coins, mainly of the Azes I period. What makes this forum a great one is the variety of interests of the member collectors.
     
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  18. chrsmat71

    chrsmat71 I LIKE TURTLES!

    I've got a couple of nicer early bull and horseman jitals..

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    And a later copper type..


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  19. THCoins

    THCoins Well-Known Member

    The one i showed in post#3 is a Tye#2 specimen.
    Below another heavy early type, 4.2 grams. Interesting because it is a fourrée fake that likely had a silver coating in the past.
    SpalapatiQw.jpg
    And a side view showing a lead interior:
    Edge.jpg
     
  20. coin_nut

    coin_nut Supporter! Supporter

    Here are a few more jitals
     

    Attached Files:

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  21. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I have seen Romans with iron under copper but never lead. A triple layer silver over copper over lead would be deceptive since the weight/size could be right proportionally. Very interesting?
     
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