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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8253013, member: 26430"]Well, too bad, I was hoping that was a real price!</p><p><br /></p><p>I've had a bunch of neat, but not special, Palaeologian and Komnenos hemi-tetartera and tetartera for 10-20 years. But until a few months ago, I knew next to nothing about John III or the Empire of Nicaea, much less the Tetartera of John III of Nicaea. But in the last five months I've quickly familiarized with many of the last 180 years of references, collections, and sales.</p><p><br /></p><p>(Becoming familiar with all that literature culminated in the final sentence of this comment, "The other model [...] Peirce Collection.")</p><p><br /></p><p>I've been getting a lot of mileage out of this coin posting it here, but it fits this thread's theme well, so I'll bring it out again!</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p><b>John III Ducas-Vatatzes (Emperor of Nicaea, 1222-1254) AE Tetarteron</b> (20mm, 3.29 g, 6h). Magnesia mint. SB 2114.</p></blockquote><p>[ATTACH=full]1454506[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>In <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8931081" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8931081" rel="nofollow">CNG 504 it was described as</a> "<i>Reportedly ex “Goodacre’s Byzantine Empire” (Downie-Lepczyk 70, 17 September 1986), lot 275 (not illustrated in catalog)</i>."</p><p><br /></p><p>With a bit of research I found it was a plate coin in Hugh Goodacre's (1865-1952) popular (1933/1965) <i>A Handbook of Coinage in the Byzantine Empire</i> AND two important articles of his: (1931) “<a href="https://jstor.org/stable/42660764" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://jstor.org/stable/42660764" rel="nofollow">Notes on Some Rare Byzantine Coins</a>,” <i>Numismatic Chronicle</i> 11 (43): 151-159; and (1938) “<a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/42664191" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/42664191" rel="nofollow">The Flat Bronze Coinage of Nicaea</a>,” <i>Numismatic Chronicle</i> 18: 159-164.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH]1454523[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454524[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454525[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The Goodacre Collection, I learned, was also on loan at Oxford's Ashmolean Museum from 1952 to c. 1986.</p><p><br /></p><p>Hard to be sure with line drawings and old collections with incomplete info, but it also seems likely this is the same example from the Curt von Bose (Leipzig, 1808-1884) Collection illustrated, first, in de Saulcy (1842), and then one of the models for Leon Dardel's illustration in Sabatier (1862) and cited (not ill.) in <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Catalogue_of_Coins_in_the_British_Museum_-_Vandals,_Ostrogoths_and_Lombards_-_Warwick_Wroth_(1911).pdf&page=317" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Catalogue_of_Coins_in_the_British_Museum_-_Vandals,_Ostrogoths_and_Lombards_-_Warwick_Wroth_(1911).pdf&page=317" rel="nofollow">BMC Vandals p 219, note 1</a> (referencing Sabatier's & de Saulcy's example).</p><p>[ATTACH]1454529[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454541[/ATTACH][ATTACH]1454545[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>(The other model for Dardel's Sabatier illustration was probably <a href="https://archive.org/details/docoins-4/DOCoins_4-2_WEB/page/n337/mode/1up" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://archive.org/details/docoins-4/DOCoins_4-2_WEB/page/n337/mode/1up" rel="nofollow">DOC IV, XXXIV 56.1</a> = <a href="https://scribd.com/doc/161979543" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://scribd.com/doc/161979543" rel="nofollow">Hendy 1969</a> 34.1 = <a href="https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cahn1932_05_30bd1/0153" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cahn1932_05_30bd1/0153" rel="nofollow">Prince Karl Egon II of Furtstenberg Coll., Cahn 75, lot 1759</a> = probably de Saulcy Collection before = later Peirce Collection.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 8253013, member: 26430"]Well, too bad, I was hoping that was a real price! I've had a bunch of neat, but not special, Palaeologian and Komnenos hemi-tetartera and tetartera for 10-20 years. But until a few months ago, I knew next to nothing about John III or the Empire of Nicaea, much less the Tetartera of John III of Nicaea. But in the last five months I've quickly familiarized with many of the last 180 years of references, collections, and sales. (Becoming familiar with all that literature culminated in the final sentence of this comment, "The other model [...] Peirce Collection.") I've been getting a lot of mileage out of this coin posting it here, but it fits this thread's theme well, so I'll bring it out again! [INDENT][B]John III Ducas-Vatatzes (Emperor of Nicaea, 1222-1254) AE Tetarteron[/B] (20mm, 3.29 g, 6h). Magnesia mint. SB 2114.[/INDENT] [ATTACH=full]1454506[/ATTACH] In [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=8931081']CNG 504 it was described as[/URL] "[I]Reportedly ex “Goodacre’s Byzantine Empire” (Downie-Lepczyk 70, 17 September 1986), lot 275 (not illustrated in catalog)[/I]." With a bit of research I found it was a plate coin in Hugh Goodacre's (1865-1952) popular (1933/1965) [I]A Handbook of Coinage in the Byzantine Empire[/I] AND two important articles of his: (1931) “[URL='https://jstor.org/stable/42660764']Notes on Some Rare Byzantine Coins[/URL],” [I]Numismatic Chronicle[/I] 11 (43): 151-159; and (1938) “[URL='https://www.jstor.org/stable/42664191']The Flat Bronze Coinage of Nicaea[/URL],” [I]Numismatic Chronicle[/I] 18: 159-164. [ATTACH]1454523[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454524[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454525[/ATTACH] The Goodacre Collection, I learned, was also on loan at Oxford's Ashmolean Museum from 1952 to c. 1986. Hard to be sure with line drawings and old collections with incomplete info, but it also seems likely this is the same example from the Curt von Bose (Leipzig, 1808-1884) Collection illustrated, first, in de Saulcy (1842), and then one of the models for Leon Dardel's illustration in Sabatier (1862) and cited (not ill.) in [URL='https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Catalogue_of_Coins_in_the_British_Museum_-_Vandals,_Ostrogoths_and_Lombards_-_Warwick_Wroth_(1911).pdf&page=317']BMC Vandals p 219, note 1[/URL] (referencing Sabatier's & de Saulcy's example). [ATTACH]1454529[/ATTACH] [ATTACH]1454541[/ATTACH][ATTACH]1454545[/ATTACH] (The other model for Dardel's Sabatier illustration was probably [URL='https://archive.org/details/docoins-4/DOCoins_4-2_WEB/page/n337/mode/1up']DOC IV, XXXIV 56.1[/URL] = [URL='https://scribd.com/doc/161979543']Hendy 1969[/URL] 34.1 = [URL='https://digi.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/diglit/cahn1932_05_30bd1/0153']Prince Karl Egon II of Furtstenberg Coll., Cahn 75, lot 1759[/URL] = probably de Saulcy Collection before = later Peirce Collection.)[/QUOTE]
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