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October 2022 High Relief Prices: A 1907 MCMVII Flat Edge MS-66 CAC is at $82,500 on GC:

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...e-MCMVII-High-Relief-Flat-Edge-PCGS-MS-66-CAC

A Flat Edge NGC MS-65 ($42,000), a Wire Edge MS-63 ($23,000) and a Wire Edge MS-64 ($30,000)....all have NOT gotten a bid for the reserve minimum.

I think they might each by 10-15% high OTTOMH.

 

November 2022 Saint-Gaudens Prices: Not seeing any crazy prices....high asks are not being met, active bidding doesn't seem to reach a buy-at-any-price threshold.

All coins PCGS non-CAC and including bp. unless otherwise noted.

• A 1928 MS-66+ went for $5,346
• A 1927 MS-66 went for $3,712
• A 1926 MS-66+ went for $11,837
• A 1922 MS-62 OGH went for $2,140
• A 1915-S MS-66 CAC went for $20,814
• A 1914-S MS-66 NGC went for $6,638

 

DUELING SAINTS: Can someone tell me why one of these coins went for $575 more than the other (about 20% more) with the same grade ? You even have the OGH going for less.

Only thing I can see is that the OGH coin appears to have some wear/rub on the eagle's underbelly.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...ble-Eagle-No-Motto-Wells-Fargo-PCGS-MS-66-OGH

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...le-No-Motto-Wells-Fargo-Nevada-Gold-NGC-MS-66

 

I see a rim dent between “AM” in “AMERICAN” on the reverse.

But overall the coin is remarkable. Still, at $127,000, it should be remarkable.

 

If you are talking about the NGC coin, they took it off for some reason even though the auction is over. Must have directed to you to that high-priced coin by mistake.

That's weird....no listing of a completed sale. Anyway, it was another 1908 WF NM MS-66 that sold for $3,500 or about 20% more than the PCGS OGH.

 

I was looking at the 1907 High Relief in PCGS MS-66, CAC.

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...e-MCMVII-High-Relief-Flat-Edge-PCGS-MS-66-CAC

 

On the PCGS OGH MS-66....is that rub on the Eagle's underbelly stretching across the reverse in a thin band to the 8 O'Clock position ?

Or is it the plastic holder ? Probably easier to tell in-hand.

 

I don't see any rub on that coin. Sometimes to the dies were not filled which left you tiny spots of unstruck metal on the high points. The only think I saw was the rim nick between "AM" of "AMERICA." That is definitely post mint damage IMO.

 

Yes, I see the rim dent on the MCMVII HR.

On the PCGS OGH MS-66....directly above the 6 o'clock position....lowest part of the Eagle's underbelly....you don't see that the feathers aren't sharp ?

 

The NGC OWH coin is now back....it's showing.

Check out and compare.

 

No-Bids: Lots of Saint-Gaudens on GC getting no bids, appears to have picked up from 1-2 years ago when gold was higher and buyers maybe a bit less discriminating. Not sure if GC keeps track of no-bids but would be interesting to numerically compare.

I think MOST of these coins would have gotten bids at the stated offer price without any fees but I think the 10-12% bump made a difference with savvy buyers. Even if the offer itself sans fees was too high, maybe just need to come down 5%, 10% tops via negotiation. On Ebay, I see most Saints that go without bids off by closer to 20-25%.

All coins PCGS unless otherwise noted.

No bids for a 1927 MS-66+ @ $5,500 (coin would have been just over $6K with fees); somewhat surprising since a nice MS-67 can go for $17,000.......a 1927 MS-64 CAC didn't get bids at $2,250 (less surprising)...a 1924 MS-67 didn't get bids at $17,000 (not surprising since it's just under $19K with fees and the 1924 is still plentiful at the 67 grade 2nd to the 1908 NM)....a 1922 MS-63 and MS-64 each went begging at $2,000 and $2,300, respectively....a 1915-S no takers at $3,750....1908 WF NM OGH no bids at $3,750 and another at $3,600...a 1907 Arabic MS-65 no bids at $5,200.

 

MPCUSA, RTE......MS-66 OGH 1908 No Motto Wells Fargo Saint....no bids so far at GC for $3,600 excluding bp.

Appears TOTAL cost (including bp.) has to be $3,500 and under.

 

1930-S MS-64 CAC...bidding at $205,000 with 4 days left. I bid on this but I topped out at about $2,000.

Missed it by THAT much !!

https://www.greatcollections.com/Co...s-Gold-Double-Eagle-PCGS-MS-64-CAC-from-photo

 

I like the coins shown her. I had not been a coin collector for quite some time until I inherited my father's coins. (Not much there, tho, but it did get me going.) My first purchases were a 2009 Ultra High Relief, One Ounce Gold Coin. The only down side was that it was graded by PCGS MS 68. I got it for $1,500 about 7 years ago. I got a RAW $20 Liberty Head. I paid $1,280. It came back "DETAILS". There was a scratch on her cheek. My third coin is a $10 Liberty Head. It came back from NGC, MS61. After that, my only gold coins were bought from the Mint. Some folks told me I was wasting my money. I'm 75 and have 2 houses that are paid for and 4 Toyotas that are paid for. My son doesn't need my money and my daughters don't talk to me since my wife left me.
Anyway, I'm not buying anymore gold until I get the 1907 Indian Head and/or a Saint-Gaudens gold coin.

 

Better hurry up and buy then...or hope that my $3,000 Gold Posts don't come to fruition anytime soon.

Still, long-term fundamentals look VERY strong. I think many of us will see generic low-60's Saints selling for $3,000 and numismatic MS-65's and the like going for $5,000.

Newcomers to these forums won't believe we were once buying at almost half that level.

 

You will always get more in a PCGS graded holder thus its worth more, I have nothing against NGC but most prefer a PCGS holder because of the increased
value it brings

 

Yeah....certainly true of the Trophy Coins....but I think that "PCGS Premium" is fading a bit.

And while the PCGS might command more in a sale...it's gonna COST more to buy, don't forget !!

 

A great many America collectors are unaware that NGC is way ahead of PCGS in the ancient and foreign coin markets.