A brand new discovery coin! A 2014 Sacagawea Mule!!!

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Kurisu, Jan 17, 2021.

  1. Kurisu

    Kurisu Supporter! Supporter

    I searched and didn't see anyone else mention this but it's HUGE!
    These kind of things don't happen often.

    We have a new 'Mule' error discovery coin! Yup, not a discovery of an error coin but THE discovery coin!

    NGC Certifies First Known Sacagawea-Presidential Dollar Mule -https://www.ngccoin.com/news/article/8794/ngc-grades-sacagawea-presidential-mule-discovery-coin/
    If it goes to auction I'm going to guess it'll sell for at least half a million dollars...
    but also, check your change! No really, it was found in someone's change and pretty recently!

    So theoretically we all have a chance of spotting the 2nd one of these :oops:
    It's a 2014-D Sacagawea on the obverse with a presidential dollar reverse (the statue of liberty design).

    2014 Sacagawea Mule NGC Slab.jpg
     
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  3. baseball21

    baseball21 Well-Known Member

    5 figures more likely but congrats to the finder.
     
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  4. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Wow.. Very interesting. Thanks for sharing!
     
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  5. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    Great find, whoever realized it.
     
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  6. Randy Abercrombie

    Randy Abercrombie Supporter! Supporter

    If one of those had passed through my hands, I would have likely missed it entirely.
     
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  7. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    Ditto
     
  8. Matthew Kruse

    Matthew Kruse Young Numismatist

    I watched a video about this last night. The question is, is he going to keep it or put it up for auction? If he does put it up for auction, how much will it go for? $5,000? $10,000?

    I think the best chances on finding one of these would be searching through a mint roll of 2014 D presidential dollars. But like @Randy Abercrombie said, I would have no idea if I have found one of those until today lol. There are multiple back designs on Sacagawea gold dollars and I didn't bother memorizing them all.

    Whenever I ask for half dollars at the bank, the teller always asks if I want gold dollars. I always say no but maybe I will take them next time lol.
     
  9. Dialupsux

    Dialupsux Well-Known Member

    could this be the first Chinese creation of the year
     
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  10. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    won't be half a million dollars. people are going to be skeptical of it just because so far it's only one, and clearly there needed to be a die pair set up, so there should be more of them to find out there.

    So either it was made intentional at the mint, a fake of some sort, or there's going to be thousands more of them to find out there. should be a premium for the "discovery coin" label though. But most people see this and realize there's going to be many, many more out there to be found. It's a NIFC so it would have to come from mint sold P or D rolls or a Mint set I'd think. Why it's AU?... Must have circulated a bit. But everything suggests there's more out there to be found so It's not going to be that fantastic of a seller I'd think, once the rest turn up it's gonna crash down but at least this one will say "discovery" on the slab... meh.

    it's a NIFC, so it shouldn't turn up at banks, but NIFCs do turn up occasionally, might be good to beat the rush if interested and look for mint rolls or bags online of them.... if they haven't been pushed way up already, Ideally, though, not rerolled, or rolls from mint bags, unsearched. without people pushing them up the rolls were reselling for $26-$31 before this announcement, looks possible to pick them up still in that range but likely not for long.
     
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  11. Kurisu

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    I'm in Denver so I'll be searching!
    Actually it's super simple...That Statue of Liberty design is only on the presidential dollars not the Sacagawea designs. So if She's on the obverse and the other she is on the reverse you found it! :)

    Edited: It actually was found in a bag of dollars from a bank, that's why it's in AU condition. I can't tell from the articles if it was a bag from the mint, but sounds like a bulk bag from a bank and/or coin delivery service.

    Hey if we're really fortunate maybe @Fred Weinberg will weigh in on this an give us a tip on searching for it...or more info! :rolleyes:

    But if you look at the auction prices in the past for the original Sacagawea Mule I think you might find that the price for this will likely be extraordinary.
    You could also factor in Tommy Bolack who actually owns most of those Mules from 2000 and likely has a limitless budget...I'm thinking he'll be looking to scoop these up as well!

    Here's some of the history of the original Mule discovered in 2000.
    http://www.fredweinberg.com/error-news/
     
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  12. Kurisu

    Kurisu Supporter! Supporter

    Accidental post deleted.
    Mods feel free to delete this!
     
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  13. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    the 2000-P sacagawea mule was with a quarter obverse die, sac eagle reverse and there's only been 18-19 (I think) found since 2000, with a lot of people looking for them.
    3 identifiable die pairs also. it's beginning to look like it was test strikes at the end of 1999- early 2000 and just a few exist since it was paired without a date and 3 pairs at least can be identified, and they aren't turning up in significant numbers still.
    This wouldn't be the case in 2014, both the NA dollars and Presidential dollars were running series at that point.

    I don't know everything about it of course, just saying the 2014D likely is only the one die pair, and there's a few thousand of them out there sitting in safes and drawers of collectors that bought bags or rolls from the mint.
     
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  14. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    Ok, I feel like a total fool asking this question. Please don't bash me too hard.

    Looking at the mule coin in the original post, how is it determined this is a 2014 D? Where is the date & mm?
     
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  15. Dialupsux

    Dialupsux Well-Known Member

    Is it edge lettered ?
     
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  16. masterswimmer

    masterswimmer Well-Known Member

    Could be.
     
  17. Kurisu

    Kurisu Supporter! Supporter

    Oooohhhh, fantastic question!!!
    None of the articles mention it...that sounds like a wonderful question for Fred or maybe NGC.

    I'm guessing the slab would've indicated w/edge lettering if it has it...but I really have no idea.
     
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  18. Dialupsux

    Dialupsux Well-Known Member

    I think the tag in the plastic box was too small for all that info
     
  19. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

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  20. Kurisu

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    Edited: Thinking out loud I'd assume it does have edge lettering since the later Sacagawea dollars do.
     
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  21. Kurisu

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    @Pickin and Grinin

    Yes... Position one has upside down lettering when the coin is obverse up.
    Position 2 is edge lettering reading correctly when the coin is obverse up.
     
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