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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 8152677, member: 83845"]Absolutely fascinating thoughts SA. One question that comes to mind if these staters are related to a place or a city is what purpose would they have served in that context? As we discussed in our PM it is pretty certain that this entire series was struck with 3 obverse dies at either different times or different mints. The obverse dies do not share reverse dies (I’m still working on confirming this for myself). The fact that such a large number of these survive into today in mint state despite the 3 dies (=low mintage) suggests that these coins didn’t circulate and were buried soon after striking.</p><p><br /></p><p>The only reason I can think of for a coin being marked as “from ____ (place)” is if the coins were meant to circulate commercially outside that place which doesn’t seem to be the case here.</p><p><br /></p><p>I honestly love the Buridava / Kosa theory and I think the possibility raises the question of how we could then explain so many of these coins from a relatively small settlement surviving into today. Is there evidence of a sudden abandonment or sack of the city that might have led it to bury its treasury? Perhaps these were struck as tribute that was never paid?</p><p><br /></p><p>In at least one hoard (Tarsa - 523 coins) all three obverse dies appear together in the following percentages.</p><p>Complex monogram = 48.7%</p><p>Simple monogram = 45.9%</p><p>No monogram = 5.4%</p><p>Perhaps this suggests separate mints under the same authority instead of striking at different times? Perhaps multiple officinae?</p><p><br /></p><p>I once read an estimate on how many coins in various metals could be struck with a single obverse or reverse die. I can’t seem to find it now though. Thoughts? 50,000 per obverse die?</p><p><br /></p><p>Promised OP update still coming!</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I did read that and think it is interesting. I looked at some examples of the coin type for Cassius mentioned in the Calgary article.</p><p><br /></p><p>The surfaces of my Koson example do have a unique texture from my experience. I tried to compare with the Cassius coins noted but I was not able to see a strong enough resemblance to consider the coin fabric definitely related. That could just be a product of the limits of comparison through photography. Someone who has studied both of these in hand would obviously be in a better position to comment. Anyone have a higher res photo of a mint state Cassius??? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie86" alt=":snaphappy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie47" alt=":greedy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here are two examples of the Cassius coin from CNG and an updated photo of my Koson for comparison.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1422239[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1422240[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1422242[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyone can read the section referenced above linked in my OP or here:</p><p><a href="https://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/koson/koson.htm" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/koson/koson.htm" rel="nofollow">https://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/koson/koson.htm</a></p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">.............................................</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am currently doing some research on the dies and known hoard find locations. I am planning to update the OP with more references and some additional information I think will be relevant. I’ll also respond with a summary of the updates.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the meantime if anyone knows where I can find the following documents please let me know. If not I’m sure I’ll be able track them down.</p><p><br /></p><p>Munteanu Lucian 2002</p><p>Despre descoperile monetare de tip Koson</p><p>Arheologia Moldovei, Academiei Române, Bucuresti, Vol. 25, 2002, p. 253-270 {Coson}</p><p><br /></p><p>Munteanu Lucian 2003</p><p>Despre emiterea monedelor de tip Koson</p><p>Arheologia Moldovei, Academiei Române, Bucuresti, Vol. 26, 2003, p. 241-264 {Coson}[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 8152677, member: 83845"]Absolutely fascinating thoughts SA. One question that comes to mind if these staters are related to a place or a city is what purpose would they have served in that context? As we discussed in our PM it is pretty certain that this entire series was struck with 3 obverse dies at either different times or different mints. The obverse dies do not share reverse dies (I’m still working on confirming this for myself). The fact that such a large number of these survive into today in mint state despite the 3 dies (=low mintage) suggests that these coins didn’t circulate and were buried soon after striking. The only reason I can think of for a coin being marked as “from ____ (place)” is if the coins were meant to circulate commercially outside that place which doesn’t seem to be the case here. I honestly love the Buridava / Kosa theory and I think the possibility raises the question of how we could then explain so many of these coins from a relatively small settlement surviving into today. Is there evidence of a sudden abandonment or sack of the city that might have led it to bury its treasury? Perhaps these were struck as tribute that was never paid? In at least one hoard (Tarsa - 523 coins) all three obverse dies appear together in the following percentages. Complex monogram = 48.7% Simple monogram = 45.9% No monogram = 5.4% Perhaps this suggests separate mints under the same authority instead of striking at different times? Perhaps multiple officinae? I once read an estimate on how many coins in various metals could be struck with a single obverse or reverse die. I can’t seem to find it now though. Thoughts? 50,000 per obverse die? Promised OP update still coming! I did read that and think it is interesting. I looked at some examples of the coin type for Cassius mentioned in the Calgary article. The surfaces of my Koson example do have a unique texture from my experience. I tried to compare with the Cassius coins noted but I was not able to see a strong enough resemblance to consider the coin fabric definitely related. That could just be a product of the limits of comparison through photography. Someone who has studied both of these in hand would obviously be in a better position to comment. Anyone have a higher res photo of a mint state Cassius??? :snaphappy::greedy: Here are two examples of the Cassius coin from CNG and an updated photo of my Koson for comparison. [ATTACH=full]1422239[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1422240[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1422242[/ATTACH] Anyone can read the section referenced above linked in my OP or here: [URL]https://www.calgarycoin.com/reference/articles/koson/koson.htm[/URL] [CENTER].............................................[/CENTER] I am currently doing some research on the dies and known hoard find locations. I am planning to update the OP with more references and some additional information I think will be relevant. I’ll also respond with a summary of the updates. In the meantime if anyone knows where I can find the following documents please let me know. If not I’m sure I’ll be able track them down. Munteanu Lucian 2002 Despre descoperile monetare de tip Koson Arheologia Moldovei, Academiei Române, Bucuresti, Vol. 25, 2002, p. 253-270 {Coson} Munteanu Lucian 2003 Despre emiterea monedelor de tip Koson Arheologia Moldovei, Academiei Române, Bucuresti, Vol. 26, 2003, p. 241-264 {Coson}[/QUOTE]
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