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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 8128124, member: 83845"][ATTACH=full]1415639[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks to everyone who has read and commented so far. I hope you are all having a wonderful Christmas! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie59" alt=":joyful:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thank you Z! Good memory. I enjoyed your “old gold and sold” Aureus thread earlier this year. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> This is my first ancient gold and I bought it more for the interesting mystery than for the metal type... I still do like that it’s big shiny gold though. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> </p><p><br /></p><p>I agree that there are ways to explain how a Dacian dynast could have gotten his hands on refined gold: tribute from conquered cities, Roman bribes paid in bullion etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Most of what I was finding online in terms of an explanation of the type was written from the perspective of someone who has made up their mind on their favorite theory. I wanted to lay out my research and thoughts in one place and give a fair balance to all the main schools of thought I knew about. I feel that I undersold the Thracian / Scythian possibility but as I said the thread is a work in progress. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie102" alt=":writer:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie26" alt=":bookworm:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I need to look into / find some resources that discuss hoard and find spot information. My guess is there won’t be a lot of information available.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks Q! You are too kind my friend. That is such a great coin. I hope the postal gods will smile on you this time! <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie50" alt=":happy:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don’t have one of these Ahala / Brutus coins but someday I plan to go after one. The resemblance to the Capitoline Brutus is striking in my opinion.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is a photo I took and the discription I wrote in my thread on my Brutus denarius earlier this year.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1415648[/ATTACH]</p><p>This bronze sculpture was discovered in Rome during the Renaissance (sometime before AD 1532) and since that time has been attributed as a representation of Brutus’s ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus. It dates as early as the late 4th century BC. Modern opinions cast doubt on the attribution to Brutus and it is true that there is no direct evidence for the attribution. Despite that disclaimer, Plutarch does mention that there was a statue of L. Junius Brutus on the Capitoline Hill and the style bears some resemblance to coins struck be M. Junius Brutus so it is not impossible that this statue is meant to depict the early Republican hero. I took this photo in the Capitoline Museum in 2018.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Wonderful coins Jay! The reverse of you Koson in particular is excellent.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Calgary reference was certainly helpful and I encourage everyone who is interested to give it a read. If you are aware of any resources that I haven’t linked to in my OP please let me know and I will add them to the further reading section. As I said I hope to update this thread over time if the mods will indulge me a bit to edit a few more times going forward.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I assume the “Sulla” was supposed to be “Curtisimo?” <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Your example is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT! Congratulations on that coin. I will have to compare further and do an overlay on my computer later but it looks like our coins might be obverse die matches. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie33" alt=":cigar:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /><img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>I know I might be in the minority on this opinion but I don’t see enough of a stylistic difference between the first two coins and the last to assume that they could not have been struck under the same authority. (I wasn’t aware that some of the monogram types were struck with unrefined gold?).</p><p><br /></p><p>There are some interesting points in favor of the Brutus interpretation though so I am not saying that there wasn’t two different authorities, just that I am not completely convinced. I tried to give a fair shake to all of the possibilities I’ve been researching.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 8128124, member: 83845"][ATTACH=full]1415639[/ATTACH] Thanks to everyone who has read and commented so far. I hope you are all having a wonderful Christmas! :joyful: Thank you Z! Good memory. I enjoyed your “old gold and sold” Aureus thread earlier this year. :) This is my first ancient gold and I bought it more for the interesting mystery than for the metal type... I still do like that it’s big shiny gold though. :D I agree that there are ways to explain how a Dacian dynast could have gotten his hands on refined gold: tribute from conquered cities, Roman bribes paid in bullion etc. Most of what I was finding online in terms of an explanation of the type was written from the perspective of someone who has made up their mind on their favorite theory. I wanted to lay out my research and thoughts in one place and give a fair balance to all the main schools of thought I knew about. I feel that I undersold the Thracian / Scythian possibility but as I said the thread is a work in progress. :writer::bookworm::happy: I need to look into / find some resources that discuss hoard and find spot information. My guess is there won’t be a lot of information available. Thanks Q! You are too kind my friend. That is such a great coin. I hope the postal gods will smile on you this time! :happy: I don’t have one of these Ahala / Brutus coins but someday I plan to go after one. The resemblance to the Capitoline Brutus is striking in my opinion. Here is a photo I took and the discription I wrote in my thread on my Brutus denarius earlier this year. [ATTACH=full]1415648[/ATTACH] This bronze sculpture was discovered in Rome during the Renaissance (sometime before AD 1532) and since that time has been attributed as a representation of Brutus’s ancestor Lucius Junius Brutus. It dates as early as the late 4th century BC. Modern opinions cast doubt on the attribution to Brutus and it is true that there is no direct evidence for the attribution. Despite that disclaimer, Plutarch does mention that there was a statue of L. Junius Brutus on the Capitoline Hill and the style bears some resemblance to coins struck be M. Junius Brutus so it is not impossible that this statue is meant to depict the early Republican hero. I took this photo in the Capitoline Museum in 2018. Wonderful coins Jay! The reverse of you Koson in particular is excellent. The Calgary reference was certainly helpful and I encourage everyone who is interested to give it a read. If you are aware of any resources that I haven’t linked to in my OP please let me know and I will add them to the further reading section. As I said I hope to update this thread over time if the mods will indulge me a bit to edit a few more times going forward. I assume the “Sulla” was supposed to be “Curtisimo?” :) Your example is ABSOLUTELY PERFECT! Congratulations on that coin. I will have to compare further and do an overlay on my computer later but it looks like our coins might be obverse die matches. :cigar::) I know I might be in the minority on this opinion but I don’t see enough of a stylistic difference between the first two coins and the last to assume that they could not have been struck under the same authority. (I wasn’t aware that some of the monogram types were struck with unrefined gold?). There are some interesting points in favor of the Brutus interpretation though so I am not saying that there wasn’t two different authorities, just that I am not completely convinced. I tried to give a fair shake to all of the possibilities I’ve been researching.[/QUOTE]
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