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Message:: [QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 3742479, member: 93371"]As a point of reference on a time frame for these I found a 2010 note in the EAC internet newsletter (“R8”) which discussed the use of 1833 N5. “The original from which these transfer dies (without date) were made is an 1833 N5. Beginning 2008 or before, the Chinese have been exporting better-and-better counterfeits of US coins of all types. So far the Chinese large cents I have seen have been rather unsophisticated, but I expect their newer products to become more and more deceptive. On their current Matron Head products, the date is hand-cut and does not "look right." The host coin used to produce these dies is an XF 33-5 (small-letter reverse). I have seen these in grades from F through red "MS," and as every date from 1815 thru 1839, always with the old pre-1836 broad-bust head style. Another fake-family has a low-relief head and large-letter reverse. Some are stamped "COPY" or "REPLICA" but many are **NOT** so marked. The Chinese are making EVERY date of US large cent from 1793 through 1857 -- often with the wrong head-style or letter-size.” So, there appears to be a continuation of "improvement" and sophistication in the efforts to infuse our hobby with better and better fakes, requiring more knowledge and diligence on our part…[/QUOTE]