Featured A “Family” of struck fake large Cents

Yes, I understand there was even a display of several examples at a past EAC Convention; they continue to be a threat in the marketplace and with current info available on the net we are able to find additional images now as well as the source example. Thank you for the note!

 

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Very cool!! That would have been interesting to see. It’s one thing to look at a digital image but holding the “coin” in hand would go much further. This entices me to get back into EAC, but my current collecting goals are too ambitious for another branch. I do miss it though.

 

I have had the 1827, 1829 and 1826 off-center in hand- I agree there is much to learn being able to handle, weigh and measure these than just an image!

 

I was hoping so since the one on the left shows die cracks which "should" help.

 

We have seen on other varieties the counterfeiters seem to have an aversion for die cracks Marshall.

 

I dread the day they start incorporating die cracks into their counterfeits.

I do wonder if the high numbers of low grade finds of previously rare and very rare varieties are really counterfeits. I really shouldn't be able to find 5 S-95s and 5 S-195s in the last three years to go with the one each over the previous 40 years.

 

I will admit that I am a bit jealous. I had the opportunity to inspect a few fakes some time ago, but they were all easily identifiable as electrotypes.

 

Going through careful analysis of these; I consider the 1806 "C-1" struck counterfeits the top of the food chain! These 3 are all in straight graded top tier TPG genuine holders. Shows in my eyes the progression in the "art", as the source coin for these can be traced to 2008, one year after the start of the posted 1833 "N-5's". With these they didn't try to create a "family" with changes of dates, just focused on the specific variety of the source example.

 

All with the damaged (H)A(LF)?

 

Yea, they get submitted one at a time...
And then they adapt; this one also in a top tier TPG holder:

 

I was just going through the Heritage Archives and noticed three of a variant with only the left side of the A damaged.

 

With the scratch over the "L" and dent between the ribbon and "A" as well Marshall?

 

I'll have to go back and check. I was just looking for the original variant and noticed three of the second variant.

I'll go back and check and make note of the Auctions and lot numbers.

 

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...c/a/1211-3567.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...s/a/1206-3033.s?ic4=ListView-Thumbnail-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...2-3017.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Damaged left side of A, but appears to be a later die stage.

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...-29359.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Maybe?

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...7-3402.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515

https://coins.ha.com/itm/half-cents...9-7054.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
Maybe?

 

Marshall, I went through them and none match my posted "variety". The ones you posted don't match each other either except the two that are two different listings and images of the same coin.

 

I guess a quick run through just shows coincidental dings at approximately the same location. I agree there was no uniformity in the dings.

 

all I can say is WOW! Thanks for the education, I'll have to look through my Large Cents now even though I bought most of them 20 + years ago. Makes me a little weary about buying more "old" coins

 

On the four 1806 C-1 counterfeits posted by Jack - I wonder if these common sister marks (mapped in red) on the obverse originate from the source coin itself or the counterfeit dies?

 

Image of the probable source for the 1806's justafarmer:

 

Fairly confident these 3 marks trace back to the source coin.