95 misprinted dollar black and green seals wrong side...

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by noahclingan, Apr 10, 2012.

  1. jhinton

    jhinton Well-Known Member

    Krispy, I apologize if I took your wording the wrong way.

    Yes, I think Don Kellys note is right on for the price he is asking. I would probably ask the same for a similar note with the intention of accepting $400. Don Kelly also has a large following and can reasonably expect a larger premium for his expertise. His work with national bank notes is exceptional!
     
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  3. krispy

    krispy krispy

    I agree! His site is a treasure trove. I spend a lot of time pouring over his items. I haven't delved into nationals but I do understand his work is paramount!
     
  4. Numbers

    Numbers Senior Member

    Just a tangential comment: I think your focus on the specific series is off base here. This overprint-on-back isn't the sort of error that tends to affect large batches of consecutive notes, and it isn't the sort of error that's so rare that it's unlikely to occur in any given series. So I don't think the existence or nonexistence of other examples in the same series/block has any bearing on whether this particular note is likely to be genuine.

    That's in contrast with an error like an inverted star, which affects a large-ish bunch of notes whenever it happens (all the notes from the same plate position of the same print run), but which happens quite rarely. If somebody came in here with one of those, the first thing I'd check would be whether it fell into one of the known series and serial ranges for such errors, because there are only about half a dozen such serial ranges known in the entire history of small-size currency.

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  5. krispy

    krispy krispy

    Thanks for the additional information about the inverted star notes.

    To try to clarify, what I meant about frequency, when I referred to the series/print run being effected in the OPs note, I was more imagining a minimum number, that group of notes coming from the same sheet* as the OPs note, since they all would have been affected. Those notes presumably would then have had to make it through QC, to trimming and on into circulation, somehow. So that is why I throw up caution when I see these sorts of errors, knowing they exist, but are rarer ones, and valuable to some buyers/collectors, that suggesters there is a bearing on whether this particular note is likely to be genuine or not.

    *from my post above #14, "if others from this Series/district and sheet with similar errors exists."
     
  6. noahclingan

    noahclingan New Member

    your crazy it lays flat its not that worn
     
  7. chip

    chip Novice collector

    Paper money collectors are crazy, a note that most people would say is perfect can be turned down as too worn, too limp, too this or too that.

    I think some Paper money collectors can tell how many times the note has been counted.
     
  8. krispy

    krispy krispy

    For your benefit, your note has been used in this image to demonstrate the obvious signs that this note does not lay flat, the arrows indicate where shadows may be seen along the bottom edge of the note. Until you scan the note to show all margins we only have two sides to go by, but even that is enough to inform you that this is not what collectors consider laying flat. The wear along this rippled edge is significant. It looks as if the surface has been rubbed or scrubbed harshly, which when considering if the note may be faked, concerns those who are cautious in their assessment of such error notes. It is also the kind of wear that significantly reduces the grade. Compared to Gem ChCU notes on down the scale for quite a few lower grades, this note is well worn and this will impact the supposed collector value of this note were it to be resold. That rippled edge and the shadows detectible in your scan are quite common characteristics of worn notes which are anything but crisp. The rippled edge may even be diminished in this image file as the scanner lid is depressing its weight onto the note, with a flattening effect. Regardless, the tell tale signs are there in a collectors discerning eye.

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  9. ikandiggit

    ikandiggit Currency Error Collector

    " its not that worn"

    Take a brand new banknote from a stack and compare it to yours. Any discoloration in the whites knocks down the value. Balance the note on an extended finger. Does it droop? That also knocks down the value. From your scan, as Krispy said, it is very evident that the note does not lay perfectly flat. There are light folds which cause the rippling at the bottom of the image. The corners are not razor sharp. They are bumped which also drops the value.

    I've seen notes that people have taken out of their wallets and tried to tell me they were perfect even though they were creased, folded and even had little tears in them.

    *Do not try ironing the note to flatten it. Ironing notes will cause the fibers to flatten and you'll lose most of the value of the error. Also, do not try cleaning the note. You'll just ruin it.

    You have a nice error. Put it in a proper holder, get it graded (if you want) and be happy with it. Even if it grades Fine or whatever, it's still worth multiples of face value.

    I have a lot of error notes that I've found in circulation and though I wish they were all top grades, I'm thrilled that I have what I have.

    Congratulations on your find.
     
  10. tbudwiser

    tbudwiser Active Member

    I partially agree with Krispy on this one. While I find it highly unlikely, there are fakes out there. The kind of error you have is sort of easy to manufacture. Special chemicals can be put on a dollar bill to get rid of the ink. Then you can run the bill through a printer and print it on the back. I've tried and successfully done this. It's easier then most think. If you want to resell it, have it graded as many others have suggested. It will add more value to your note anyways, so even if you really truly believe that this error is 100% real, you might as well get it graded to make the extra money. It also, like Krispy said, broadens your market.

    Good luck with whatever you do.

    -tbud
     
  11. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Great embossing, (as seen on the front of the note) and if it's real, and not a fake, it's a really nice error note. I agree with Chris that authentication is paramount when dealing with errors because even embossing can be faked.
     
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