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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Lucky Cuss, post: 1853905, member: 44086&quot;]John Lorenzo (<b>Colonialjohn</b>) has previously advised that the Robert Gurney book should be out late this year. See: <a href="http://www.cointalk.com/threads/neat-counterfeit-find.32101/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.cointalk.com/threads/neat-counterfeit-find.32101/">http://www.cointalk.com/threads/neat-counterfeit-find.32101/</a> - a summary of the book&#039;s contents is in the 15th post.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>I can accept that fakes of the Spanish/Mexican 8 reales have been made - the question is how many and how detectable.&nbsp; I sse the book deals solely with the &quot;portrait&quot; type, which leaves the &quot;cap &amp; rays&quot; category unaddressed.&nbsp; In T.V. Buttrey and Clive Hubbard&#039;s <i>A Guide Book of Mexican Coins 1822 to Date</i>, their comprehensive listings of the 8 reales has an occasional &quot;contmporary counterfeit&quot; annotation; I sort of assumed they were denoting Mexican made fakes, but I now realize that&#039;s not necessarily the case.&nbsp; One of the problems with identifying &quot;cap &amp; rays&quot; counterfeits (provided they&#039;re not extremely crude or debased) is the really distinct die varieties that even genuine examples exhibit. </p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>At the risk of getting off-topic, here&#039;re photos of one I first thought was clearly counterfeit, but now I&#039;m not so sure.&nbsp; On the reverse, the Phrygian cap has a very flat aspect, and actually sits below the level of the rays.&nbsp; On the obverse, the cactus segments are completely disconnected from each other.&nbsp; So its appearance is atypical at best.&nbsp; But the coin&#039;s weight and ring are true.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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