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<p>[QUOTE="Stewart, post: 1320900, member: 19834"]Caleb,</p><p>I agree with you 100% without manufacturing marks (Die Markers) that can directly link one coin and another to the same die.</p><p>Such a thing would be very doubtful as to whether both coins came from the same die.</p><p>Thankfully this is not the case with the 1974 "S" Proof, Micro "S" varieties.</p><p>Brian Vaile in his examinations of these coins knew that he was looking at two different metal composition coins from the same die.</p><p>To confirm this he sent it off to John Wexler for him to examine. and Mr. Wexler agreed with him. </p><p>Mr. Wexler was the one who identified three different die markers matching both of these different metal composition coins to the same die.</p><p><br /></p><p>The comment and die marker list below is directly copied from conversation with Brian after I had read about his discovery and checked</p><p>my safe and dug out an example of the Copper-Nickel Clad Micro "S" I had purchased in a 2x2 thinking it may have been a 40% silver version</p><p>but turned out to be Copper-Nickel Clad version.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>Mr. Wexler came up with an "I agree with you 100%" and here are a couple of markers I found that PROVE they came from the same working die.</i></p><p><i>Here are the die markers Mr. Wexler came up with to help prove my case:</i></p><p><i>1. The first and easiest to find, is a curving die scratch just to the right of center of the ear.</i></p><p><i>2. Two small die gouges (dots) that can be found just to the right of the lower horizontal bar of the F in the FG.</i></p><p><i>3. A very small die gouge at the intersection of the base of the bust and the field below the base of the bust, directly north of the mint mark.</i></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Also here is the link to the conversation with Brian and Chuck after I had posted some pictures of the Copper-Nickel Clad example I have. </p><p>(I hope this is not outside forum rules)</p><p><a href="http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981" rel="nofollow">http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>If the link gets removed look for a thread at the Ike Group web site named:</p><p><b><a href="http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&start=0&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&start=0&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981" rel="nofollow">1974 S CUNI Clad Micro S Story and Question</a></b></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I honestly thought that this variety had been settled with Mr. Wexler's finding of the matching die markers linking both of these coins to the same die. I was just trying to find out which one was minted first the Copper-Nickel Clad Proof or the 40% Silver Proof version. </p><p>(The Chicken or the Egg :too-funny: )</p><p>As I believe we all know. As coin collectors we get certain coins stuck in our head. This one got buried in my head with a backhoe :too-funny:</p><p><br /></p><p>Terry[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Stewart, post: 1320900, member: 19834"]Caleb, I agree with you 100% without manufacturing marks (Die Markers) that can directly link one coin and another to the same die. Such a thing would be very doubtful as to whether both coins came from the same die. Thankfully this is not the case with the 1974 "S" Proof, Micro "S" varieties. Brian Vaile in his examinations of these coins knew that he was looking at two different metal composition coins from the same die. To confirm this he sent it off to John Wexler for him to examine. and Mr. Wexler agreed with him. Mr. Wexler was the one who identified three different die markers matching both of these different metal composition coins to the same die. The comment and die marker list below is directly copied from conversation with Brian after I had read about his discovery and checked my safe and dug out an example of the Copper-Nickel Clad Micro "S" I had purchased in a 2x2 thinking it may have been a 40% silver version but turned out to be Copper-Nickel Clad version. [I]Mr. Wexler came up with an "I agree with you 100%" and here are a couple of markers I found that PROVE they came from the same working die. Here are the die markers Mr. Wexler came up with to help prove my case: 1. The first and easiest to find, is a curving die scratch just to the right of center of the ear. 2. Two small die gouges (dots) that can be found just to the right of the lower horizontal bar of the F in the FG. 3. A very small die gouge at the intersection of the base of the bust and the field below the base of the bust, directly north of the mint mark.[/I] Also here is the link to the conversation with Brian and Chuck after I had posted some pictures of the Copper-Nickel Clad example I have. (I hope this is not outside forum rules) [URL]http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981[/URL] If the link gets removed look for a thread at the Ike Group web site named: [B][URL="http://ikegroup.org/php3.0.2/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=38&t=1260&start=0&sid=138c7c0042ee09b3cb48a71695984981"]1974 S CUNI Clad Micro S Story and Question[/URL][/B] I honestly thought that this variety had been settled with Mr. Wexler's finding of the matching die markers linking both of these coins to the same die. I was just trying to find out which one was minted first the Copper-Nickel Clad Proof or the 40% Silver Proof version. (The Chicken or the Egg :too-funny: ) As I believe we all know. As coin collectors we get certain coins stuck in our head. This one got buried in my head with a backhoe :too-funny: Terry[/QUOTE]
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