68 years of toning, gone. Poof!

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by CircCam, Sep 30, 2018.

  1. Kirkuleez

    Kirkuleez 80 proof

    Because most of the time the cost and effort to sell one just isn’t worth it.
     
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  3. dwhiz

    dwhiz Collector Supporter

    I, too like it better now.
    I tend not to buy UNC. coins that are toned, ever once in a while I do.
     
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  4. Dave Waterstraat

    Dave Waterstraat Well-Known Member

    It does look better after.

    So how was that adrenaline burst?
     
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  5. BooksB4Coins

    BooksB4Coins Newbieus Sempiterna

    This is a fine example of why tweezers (and gloves) can and often do cause more harm than good. While good that this happened to a widget instead of something more valuable, you may want to reconsider your approach. Even "grippier rubber" tweezers will not solve the inherent dexterity issues.
     
  6. Michael K

    Michael K Well-Known Member

    When I think of blast white, I see dipped 100+ year old Morgans that are an unnatural color.
    In this case it looks much better to me, than that awful tobacco tar toning.
     
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  7. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    I had acquired some estate cents, dollars, etc last year. I posted about how to clean the coins as the cents all had this slimy, oily feel to them. A Peace dollar had the same black ooze along the edges like the quarter. I asked the owner if the now passed parents had smoked .. yup, constantly smoked for decades and decades. Ick.
     
  8. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Now just imagine what that luster might have, and probably would have, looked like had the coin not slipped out of the tweezers. Given what you do have, the way the coin looked before the dip, and the circumstances, my guess is the coin would have had truly exceptional luster making it something special !

    I cannot express how strongly I agree with this !
     
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  9. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    I agree, but I’m also not interested in touching that stuff with my bare hands... open to alternatives for sure!

    We’ll never know, but that’s why I figured I’d share my blunder with the forum. In any case it’s a lesson and that’s probably worth much more than the value of this particular coin. I knew to be careful but having now actually felt that feeling of horror I’ll be even more so. Live and learn.
     
  10. Maxfli

    Maxfli Well-Known Member

    The "before" didn't have much eye appeal, so I think you did that coin a favor. It still has a hint of toning, nice luster, and is fully marketable. Now it just looks like a coin that has spent most of its life in a capsule.

    Not sure what the concern is here. This "blunder" (your term, not mine) would never have happened if you had just grabbed the coin by the rim with your fingers and pulled it out. The dip solution isn't hazardous to your health.
     
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  11. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    The blunder is not that the coin was destroyed since it wasn’t, but I’d still have liked to see what it might have looked like with about 1/4 of the time it spent in there, that’s all.
     
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  12. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Ah, I just read the label. I read it before and stopped at “Vapor Harmful” and assumed it was something I shouldn’t touch. Says soap and water if it comes in contact with skin, so that wouldn’t have been the end of the world.

    Oh well...nothing MS looks right in the silver George slot on this page anyway, so my search continues for a Circcam Washington quarter in XF and clawcoins has a neat free coin on the way.

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  13. Treashunt

    Treashunt The Other Frank

    I like toning, but this was an excellent result
     
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  14. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    It won't hurt ya, tens of millions of coins have been dipped with bare hands. But I can see by your later post that you kinda figured that out.

    For the future, here's a tip. Before you dip a coin, make all preparations first. Get your dip bowl ready, get your neutralizing agent bowl ready, and final rinse bowl of distilled water ready. And before you dip the coin, (for that matter before you ever handle a coin), go and wash your hands first. I always recommend using Dawn because it removes grease and oils - rinse thoroughly.

    Make sure your dip is deep enough so that the coin can be submerged - without pushing your fingertips off the coin because they hit the bottom of the bowl ! Same thing for the other bowls. When you go to dip the coin, use your bare fingers, holding the coin by the edge only. This gives you precise control over the coin and the timing. (Timing will vary of course depending on what you're trying to do and how you're doing it !) When you go to lift the coin out of the dip, make sure you tip it so all dip can immediately run off freely. Then immediately rinse it in your neutralizing agent, swish it a time or two, then final rinse same way.

    Through this entire process you never let go of the coin, and don't try and shift your grip on it - that's when the accidents happen.

    Same thing applies when you're using diluted dips - never let go of the coin ! This is because picking it up can be problematic and may even cause you to run your fingertip, or nail, across the surface of the coin. That's the absolute last thing you ever want to do ! Never letting go also allows you to freely swish the coin in diluted dips as well as during rinsing.

    And if you use diluted and decide to repeat the process - never use the same dip, neutralizer, or final rinse water. (left this out 1st go round - get fresh! ) And always get fresh bowls or wash the bowls.
     
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  15. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Great post. Thank you!

    What product do you recommend as a neutralizing agent?
     
  16. Seattlite86

    Seattlite86 Outspoken Member

    I was going to ask this same question.
     
  17. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Everybody has different ideas about that. Some use acetone, some use concoctions they mix up themselves. But my preference was always distilled water with a bit of baking soda mixed in - make sure it's dissolved well. How much - depends on how much water. If it won't all dissolve ya know ya got too much ! If it does all dissolve - it'll work. Me, I used to eyeball about 1/2 a teaspoon for say 2-3 inches in a bowl.
     
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  18. GDJMSP

    GDJMSP Numismatist Moderator

    Fair warning though folks - dipping coins is NOT something you wanna mess with if you have no experience at doing it ! It is extremely easy to ruin coins ! So either get somebody to teach ya or spend the time to teach yourselves - but it takes a while to learn from experience. Sometimes a long while ! This is because EVERY coin is different ! And you gotta be able to tell what's goin on just by lookin at 'em ! And even then, sometimes it's NOT gonna go well. There is ALWAYS a risk involved !
     
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  19. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Damaging Coins Daily

    @CircCam am I'm not much of a Quarter collector. But the 1950 has found it's place amongst my "quarter" collection as the ONLY Washington quarter. Other than I do hoard quarters in general. Sorry about the multi-color lighting and bad cell phone image.
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    Missing are my Heraldic Eagle & 2014 Gold SLQ which are probably in my SDB.
     
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  20. CircCam

    CircCam Victory

    Nice Type 1 SLQ!
     
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  21. Phil Ham

    Phil Ham Hamster

    I've never dipped but appreciate your lessons learned. If you plan to dip with acetone, neutralize with distilled water and baking soda, and subsequently rinse with distilled water, I have a question, "how many coins can you dip before you chuck the solutions, on average"? I may start on some Washington quarters with little value over melt to hone my skills. If I have success, I may move to the Walker's, Peace's and Morgan's. As I often clean off my hands with gasoline to get rid of grease, a little acetone shouldn't kill me:)
     
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