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<p>[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 4395594, member: 98956"]I’ve actually thought about that regarding causation, and have brought it up with others, but the consensus is still mischief.</p><p><br /></p><p>I agree with the lint mark theory, again because sometimes it’s easiest to go with the flow.</p><p><br /></p><p>However, to say something with certainty, without having examined one in hand, is jumping to conclusions isn’t it?</p><p><br /></p><p>Would you want your doctor to do the same? Unfortunately, a lot of doctors do... that’s how we end up with quite a few malpractice cases.</p><p><br /></p><p>I digress again. I’ll try to explain it further, but you can see this in the photos on the other thread if you look closely.</p><p><br /></p><p>The “5” isn’t a single mark, but three separate. This could be 3 individual pieces of lint that happened to line up perfectly. That’s definitely feasible.</p><p><br /></p><p>The “5” is also very pronounced on better examples. I’m not referring to location, but need to refer to the Superbird as it’s the closest variety to compare it to.</p><p><br /></p><p>The “s” doesn’t remotely look like an s IMO. It’s also roughly the size of the horizontal portion of the “5” in terms of length. Another comparison to make is that it’s also a single continuous mark.</p><p><br /></p><p>The “5” would also have to be created by very thick pieces of lint and pressed extremely hard.</p><p><br /></p><p>I’m no expert. My understanding is that dies are softer when going through the die making process. This allows the hubs to make their impression. The dies then go through an annealing process to harden them. Is that correct?</p><p><br /></p><p>I only bring this up because it’s been brought up in discussions I’ve had with others. Malleability is an issue, but the dies are softened, correct? This is why I agree with your struck through theory as it's very plausible. How else do we see certain struck through coins, such as lint marks?</p><p><br /></p><p>The depth/size of the marks is what’s interesting, for me at least. The 3 lint pieces would have to be thicker than the Superbird lint. I don’t know what type of cloth would have been used, but it wasn’t the same type used on the quarter.</p><p><br /></p><p>One of the better arguments for mischief is this. You can see the 5 without magnification on the better examples (I need my readers because of age, but it’s visible within reading distance)</p><p><br /></p><p>The mints usually inspect the first few coins, right? If it’s visible to the naked eye, even if it’s just a shimmer, a mint employee should have easily caught it, correct?</p><p><br /></p><p>An easy rebuttal to this is to use missing mm as an example. But you said yourself that missing mm is an example of a significant variety.</p><p><br /></p><p>If this was the case, and a mint employee missed a very visible die damage, then is this not significant?</p><p><br /></p><p>Long story short, I concur with your theory; I think I’ve mentioned that.</p><p><br /></p><p>I diverge where this opinion has been stated as a conclusive, end-all, no other explanation. My point in many of my posts is that it’s not. As you mentioned, it’s possible. But the lint-mark theory is the easiest and most plausible explanation IMO. Different reasoning, same conclusion.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for billable hours, I would hate to see them too! I only volunteer with homeless veterans so my rate is $0. Those hours stack up!!! </p><p><br /></p><p>However, I’m one of those (un)fortunate enough to have been a medical malpractice victim (nonfeasance type because doctors know everything, right?). I draw a nice enough disability pension, so I don’t have to worry about billable hours. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> I just have to worry about idiotic things like the Feres doctrine. Because it pops up a lot when dealing with disabled veterans.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Bmmartin, post: 4395594, member: 98956"]I’ve actually thought about that regarding causation, and have brought it up with others, but the consensus is still mischief. I agree with the lint mark theory, again because sometimes it’s easiest to go with the flow. However, to say something with certainty, without having examined one in hand, is jumping to conclusions isn’t it? Would you want your doctor to do the same? Unfortunately, a lot of doctors do... that’s how we end up with quite a few malpractice cases. I digress again. I’ll try to explain it further, but you can see this in the photos on the other thread if you look closely. The “5” isn’t a single mark, but three separate. This could be 3 individual pieces of lint that happened to line up perfectly. That’s definitely feasible. The “5” is also very pronounced on better examples. I’m not referring to location, but need to refer to the Superbird as it’s the closest variety to compare it to. The “s” doesn’t remotely look like an s IMO. It’s also roughly the size of the horizontal portion of the “5” in terms of length. Another comparison to make is that it’s also a single continuous mark. The “5” would also have to be created by very thick pieces of lint and pressed extremely hard. I’m no expert. My understanding is that dies are softer when going through the die making process. This allows the hubs to make their impression. The dies then go through an annealing process to harden them. Is that correct? I only bring this up because it’s been brought up in discussions I’ve had with others. Malleability is an issue, but the dies are softened, correct? This is why I agree with your struck through theory as it's very plausible. How else do we see certain struck through coins, such as lint marks? The depth/size of the marks is what’s interesting, for me at least. The 3 lint pieces would have to be thicker than the Superbird lint. I don’t know what type of cloth would have been used, but it wasn’t the same type used on the quarter. One of the better arguments for mischief is this. You can see the 5 without magnification on the better examples (I need my readers because of age, but it’s visible within reading distance) The mints usually inspect the first few coins, right? If it’s visible to the naked eye, even if it’s just a shimmer, a mint employee should have easily caught it, correct? An easy rebuttal to this is to use missing mm as an example. But you said yourself that missing mm is an example of a significant variety. If this was the case, and a mint employee missed a very visible die damage, then is this not significant? Long story short, I concur with your theory; I think I’ve mentioned that. I diverge where this opinion has been stated as a conclusive, end-all, no other explanation. My point in many of my posts is that it’s not. As you mentioned, it’s possible. But the lint-mark theory is the easiest and most plausible explanation IMO. Different reasoning, same conclusion. As for billable hours, I would hate to see them too! I only volunteer with homeless veterans so my rate is $0. Those hours stack up!!! However, I’m one of those (un)fortunate enough to have been a medical malpractice victim (nonfeasance type because doctors know everything, right?). I draw a nice enough disability pension, so I don’t have to worry about billable hours. :) I just have to worry about idiotic things like the Feres doctrine. Because it pops up a lot when dealing with disabled veterans.[/QUOTE]
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