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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;chrisild, post: 1498254, member: 39&quot;]Hard to tell, but the 1972F and 1974G coins have that frosted eagle/shiny background contrast which suggests proof. At German websites you may come across terms such as &quot;ex PP&quot; (formerly proof) or &quot;vz aus PP&quot; (EF from proof) etc., which mean that a proof piece was taken out of its original packaging, and then kept as a loose coin for a while. In English that would be &quot;impaired proof&quot;, I think.</p><p><br /></p><p>Whether we like it or not, many collectors do not appreciate such &quot;ex PP&quot; coins, which also affects the price. So (assuming those two are/were proof coins, and I could be wrong <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> ), it does make sense for a dealer to not charge the &quot;PP&quot; price for them. And yes, 1958J is darn expensive by Federal Republic standards; even a relatively low grade (VF) piece may easily cost €500. Also, beware of manipulations; that is a coin which I would not buy from, say, an eBay vendor. But since I do not collect by mintmark, I don&#039;t have to worry about that ...</p><p><br /></p><p>Have fun with your &quot;5DM OCD&quot; as long as you pursue it. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Usually I prefer designs that are a little more balanced, ie. some text on the obverse and some on the reverse. But that big eagle, with absolutely nothing else around, is an attractive design.</p><p><br /></p><p>Christian[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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