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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;beef1020, post: 1679621, member: 24544&quot;]The 1845 my best guess is N4, which is R1, based on what I can see of the date position, but even that is a little too blurry to really tell.&nbsp; I can&#039;t say anything constructive on the 1843, you would need much better pictures and even then it may be a stretch to attribute. These would require much better pictures to accurately attribute.&nbsp; For what it&#039;s worth, in that grade the years 1843 and 1845 both have only one variety which would bring a premium, and your coins are not those varieties.</p><p><br /></p><p>Unlike the early dates and a lot of the middle dates, the late date&nbsp; large cent dies had their entire design, except the date, hubbed from a&nbsp; master.&nbsp; This basically means there is no difference in varieties between the position of anything on the coin except for the location of the date.&nbsp; All other attribution points are basically tool marking, cracks, flowlines, or die damage.&nbsp; This makes it very difficult to attribute by photo, even good photos.&nbsp; Many of the attribution points require a minimum 10x loupe, and even than ,lower grade coins can be tough to make out.</p><p><br /></p><p>This is in sharp contrast to the early and middle dates.&nbsp; For the earliest coins, the dies were almost entirely hand engraved, up to around 1794.&nbsp; In these years the varieties are easy to spot as the coins have dramatic differences in design.&nbsp; Around 1795 and up through the draped bust and middle date coins the bust and the wreath were hubbed onto the die. Most/All the letters and numbers were added to each die with punches.&nbsp; Hence a lot of the attribution points on draped bust and middle date coins are the position of letters in relation to design elements like the hair, or the leaf position.&nbsp; Like I said, once you get into the late dates, the entire design was hubbed onto the die so there are no positional differences between design elements, except the date.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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