2021-p roosevelt dime clad layer missing on obverse

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by john65999, Dec 6, 2021.

  1. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    dime weighs 1.5 grams.. edge is still shiny, and on edge you can see where the copper layer is real close to the edge, not sandwhiched, hope is real... 263321221_188485540165216_1746939775292684084_n.jpg 263394108_444214840599901_2069342407995181756_n.jpg 263422916_1173373546525117_8686967571533917583_n.jpg 263423377_1549075478807510_1331525357515648316_n.jpg 263668191_3130032877275881_3896816617280550673_n.jpg
     
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    That is authentic IMHO
     
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  4. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    I'm surprised. I figured between the fully-struck reverse and the lack of copper color on the obverse (except around the rim), it was more likely environmental damage. Maybe thin planchet, especially on the obverse clad layer? Or am I misreading that obverse photo completely?
     
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  5. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    7 tenths is quite a bit of weight, I tend to to agree with Jeff it looks like the reverse around the rim shows the same toning/ED.
     
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  6. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I gave my opinion.. But I could be wrong ;)
    But I see what the others are stating :watching:

    Edit.. I see Fred chimed in. So I was right ;)
     
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  7. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Genuine missing outer clad layer, imo
     
  8. -jeffB

    -jeffB Greshams LEO Supporter

    Okay, so I'm trying to learn from my mistakes here.

    First, that much weight discrepancy implies something was missing when struck -- by the time you've got enough corrosion to drop more than 20% of the weight of a coin, it's going to be super-obvious, and probably affect more than the one face.

    But a single clad layer for a dime doesn't weigh that much, does it? (I know, I could look it up.)

    If the clad layer were missing, I'd expect a color typical of copper. I don't see that, and I compared the color of the 2x2 to make sure it wasn't just the camera "fixing" white balance.

    And I'm pretty sure I see little splotches of copper color around the rim in that first shot. I could see those being rolled around to the face during upset, if the punching process dragged the copper core far enough toward what eventually became the coin's obverse. But if the obverse clad layer were missing, the whole face would be that color, disregarding splotches or other toning patterns that formed afterward.

    Where am I running off the rails?
     
  9. john65999

    john65999 Well-Known Member

    i have seen clad layer missing coins run a gamut of colors..then again i am no expert...but i understand what you are saying..
     
  10. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    We have a couple of different edge shots, that give what tone the copper should be at least in areas if the obv.
    the tones should match. Toning doesn't tend to work this way.
    If you look closely at the rim, there is evidence of either a folded over finned rim or struck thru copper fragments, that still match the copper core. This tells me that I am not looking at copper but a thin layer of Nickel clad.
    I can't explain the struck up devices on a rolled thin stock.
    Here is one of the edge shots.
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  11. Real Slick

    Real Slick Active Member

    not sure on rim photo, is the color suppost be the same?
     
  12. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    I’m shocked
    This looks nothing like a missing clad layer. I see no characteristics.
    Also I see no weakness anywhere at all on the coin.
    The obverse just looks like it’s been stained.
    I can’t see it being said the obverse is missing its clad layer.
     
  13. Gorham_Collector

    Gorham_Collector Specializing in Shield Cents

    Would like to see the dime on a scale showing the weight mentioned
     
  14. Heavymetal

    Heavymetal Well-Known Member

    OP not seen on CoinTalk since Sept 2022
    He is an antique dealer in Connecticut
    CT Merchandise Liquidators
    I see 0 reason to doubt him
     
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