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Message:: [QUOTE="eddiespin, post: 7297549, member: 4920"]Jim, actually, they're vastly different. Let me see if I can explain this. I'm not knocking either type... The first type, those indeed are the true hub-doubled dies. They were squeezed by the hub, removed, heated so as to soften, then squeezed by the hub, again, i.e., a second time. They may have even been squeezed a third or fourth time, the purpose having been to reach the requisite depth into the die. The second type, produced from the single-squeeze hubbings, are indeed akin to ordinary strike doubling on a coin, in that they're caused by a tilt, or a slip, or a twist, or a turn, or a hop, or a skip when the single-hubbing squeezes the die. That's what we're seeing from the late 20th Century on. That's why often times these look like ordinary strike doubling. They shadow all kinds of things, thumbs, ears, trees, leaving these images virtually all over. But it's not from a double or multiple hubbing. It's from a single hubbing that, well, went haywire. It's on the die, and then imparted to the planchet. It's a single hubbing, not a double or multiple hubbing. It's caused by a movement within the collar that holds the hub and the die for the single squeeze, not caused by double or multiple squeezes by the hub. There's principally the difference between these two types. FWIW...[/QUOTE]