2019-S NA dollar edge lettering issue, not good pictures, sorry.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by John Burgess, Nov 25, 2020.

  1. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Ok so I was going through last years set purchases, there a problem with the edge lettering on this coin. It is still in the packaging and I'm on the fence about removing it. Below is the NA dollar in the 2019S silver proof set.
    the lettering is nowhere near as deep as the one in my other set, in some places I can't make it out at all.

    Best I could do taking pictures of the edge through the packaging.
    My question is, is it worth taking it out of the proof set for further examination, clearly it's not completely missing all edge lettering, so is there a "partial edge lettering" thing?
    If it doesn't add value or would be worth grading, I'd prefer to leave it where it is, but I'd like to know if something like this has potential, or would more than likely just reduce it's grade and not be valued. you can tell the edge is roughed up still.

    The front and back strike look fine in comparison to the one in the non silver proof set.
    The "bluish" picture (fist one shows the S mint mark to the bottom right, it's fat and shallow, to the left of that you can make out maybe something that looks like the 9 of the end of the date and going left possibly parts of the date, the die segment lines are there (3 of them)

    Maybe this is a filled dies or loose collar die? I can try for better photos, or comparison photos if it would be helpful. Like I said, if it's nothing special I don't want to bother taking it out of the OGP, if it might be something special and worth grading, then I likely would take it out and go deeper.
    I know edge lettering issues aren't really a think on the proof dollars because they are struck with the lettering collar.... nowhere near as common as the business strikes missing the run through the edge lettering machine or doubled lettering ect. those are way more common to happen.
    I can try for better photos, or comparison photos if it would be helpful. Just post it, I'll try to do better when I get home if you think it would help.

    So,,,,, initial opinions based off garbage pictures please? :)

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  3. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Well I tried to take a bunch of pictures and they were a train wreck also. The plastic lens screws it up every time.
    Heres another one.

    No matter what I'm doing I get reflections or light sources off the lens that messes it up its worse than taking a picture of bigfoot.

    Would there be any real value if it is, let's say a grease filled rim die segment? Would it get the "missing edge lettering" or does it need to be completely missing edge lettering to qualify?

    I'm adverse to cracking it out because it's protected in the set holder, and I keep my proof sets in OGP.
    Also concerned it would be called "tampered with" if I removed it if it would be valuable.

    I've looked for something similar and I don't find reference to it on the proof strikes at all just business strike lettering errors. I know the missing edge lettering sacred dollars were kind of popular and high grade had decent value.

    I'm at a loss on what to do or not do.
  4. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    You aren't going to get a grease filled edge die because the letters on the edge die are raised not incuse. I think if you took it out you would find the lettering is normal. The only thing that could weaken the lettering on a proof would be either a severely worn edge die, unlikely, or a broken one where lettering has chipped off, unlikely but not impossible. But in the case of chipping it ould most likely be just a single letter.

    You can't have missing edge letters on the proofs without having missing edge die segments, in with case the coin wouldn't be round either.

    As for worrying about opening the set, the proof sets haven't been sealed since 1999. They can be opened and closed without damaging the holder.
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  5. John Burgess

    John Burgess Well-Known Member

    Ok so pry it apart and I can snap it back together and while I have it out be careful to not leave fingerprints ect and all should be fine?

    I think this is what I'll do, I suppose worst case if it doesn't go well, I'll stick them all in 2x2s or something and maybe buy another set or something like that.

    I guess it's the only way to truly get to the bottom of it.
    Although I've a feeling it's still not going to be clear what's going on.

    By the way, the edge lettering on Sacagawea dollars in incused, not raised. there's 3 raised lines, all die segments are present.

    It should be:
    |* E PLURIBUS UNUM |* * * * * * * *| * * 2019 S * * |

    This one from the silver proof set has:
    |* E PLURIBUS UNUM |* * _ _ _ * * *| _ _ ____ S * * |
    The underscores represent abrasion areas where stuff is missing/ or very weak. the lines are the raise lines of the die segments.

    Maybe these help for now? I need to get off work and home before attempting to open the set.

    the coin:

    The other set:
  6. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    In the first image the date IS there, I can see it when I enlarge the image (which is upside down). I believe it is just the plastic of the holder that is obscuring it.
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