2017A Series

Discussion in 'Paper Money' started by Legomaster1, Dec 14, 2019.

  1. Legomaster1

    Legomaster1 Cointalk Patron

    I’ve noticed (on the Star Note Lookup, and uspapermoney.info) that a 2017A series of banknotes has been released. Has anyone received one of these notes yet? If you happen to see one, please post it here.
     
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  3. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    They’ve been printing series 2017A notes since April ($20) with the “P” prefix and I’ve yet to see any in circulation or eBay.
     
  4. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    This has been the big talk of the town on the Where's George forum. This is largely due to the fact no one knows why this series exists and why it has abruptly rolled out on every denomination except the $50 note.

    There are theories, however. Examples include the Treasurer having been replaced but it not being announced or for the composition of the linen/cotton "paper" mix being changed due to an unprecedented change in supplier.

    Until someone actually finds an example the mystery will persist. Being that it often takes new currency up to a year to make an appearance it could be a while before one is seen. Considering the first 2017A notes were printed in April, I wouldn't be surprised if someone finds an example within the next few months, however.
     
  5. mpcusa

    mpcusa "Official C.T. TROLL SWEEPER"

    I will for sure be on the look out, thanks for the tip :)
     
  6. jensenbay

    jensenbay Well-Known Member

    Anyone find out anything on this? I was just looking a some $20s and noticed the 2017A. I don't see any difference from the 2017. Signatures are the same.
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  7. NOS

    NOS Former Coin Hoarder

    Yes. The BEP attempted to brush off inquiries into the matter and give non-answers when asked. It took the filing of a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request to get the BEP to give some semblance of an answer. A heavily redacted document was released but within the document it was revealed the BEP changed the source of the ink used to another vendor.

    So there you have it: ink from a new supplier. The BEP did not want to mix the ink used from the old supplier with the new one. This was essentially an internal matter that need not have involved the public by abruptly ceasing production of a series and starting up a new one. Instead, the BEP caused widespread confusion that resulted in endless unanswered inquiries from the public.

    It is the most redundant and arbitrary series change in the history of the BEP. Never before has a series changed without there being some kind of apparent difference on a note whether it be the enlargement of plate numbers, signature change, or design change, etc.
     
  8. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    Good to know @NOS, thanks for sharing.
     
  9. Skippy Topaz

    Skippy Topaz PAPERBOY

    Are we talking about "ANY" 2017-A notes? I've come across a lot of $1 2017 Star Notes (B Series/New York), even saved a few but they didn't appear to be from a Low-Print Run so I've stopped keeping them when I find them.

    I see them on ebay too so not sure if I'm misunderstanding the question
     
  10. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    I believe the question was, why was there a series change from 2017 to 2017A without a signature or design change.

    On the other end of the spectrum is the series 2006 $5 FRNs. The BEP introduced the newly designed, colorized $5 notes and didn’t change the series. Both of these notes are series 2006…

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  11. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    Only the design changed. The lower is the "Old" design. The upper one is the "new" design. If a "Treasurer" or the "Secretary of the Treasury" changes, then the series date and or letter changes.
     
  12. SteveInTampa

    SteveInTampa Always Learning

    You got that backwards @Searcher64. The upper note is the Old design and the lower note is the New “colorized” design.
     
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  13. Jersey magic man

    Jersey magic man Supporter! Supporter

    Have not seen any yet in general circulation, but I picked up this error star note up recently.

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  14. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I was referring to the series changes as to the year. Series 1928 was the first series of modern, small-sized notes issued. Since then, the series year has been changed when there is a major design change to a bill; a minor design change is indicated by a letter suffix being added to the series year. Major design changes were rare until 1974, when William E. Simon became Secretary of the Treasury. Before 1974, a change to either the signature of the Secretary of the Treasury or the Treasurer was considered a minor change; after 1974, a new Secretary of the Treasury was considered a major change. (The only exception to this was in 1979, G. William Miller's signature appeared on Series 1977A instead of Series 1979.) A change in Treasurer is still considered a minor change. The 2017A series apparently was due to a minor change in production, possibly of the ink used.[1] Changes in design, such as the recent changes to the $20 bill to deter counterfeiting, are still considered major changes.
     
  15. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    Somehow, I am only posting once, but when I go in to look at my post it's doubled or more???? I know not why.
     
  16. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Dunno. But I deleted the dupe posts. Both your original post and the secondary comment quoted above got posted twice, somehow.
     
  17. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

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  18. Jersey magic man

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  19. Searcher64

    Searcher64 Member

    I would say not many. They now print 50 to a sheet. When printing, if a jam or a missed pickups can cause such. For a very long time ago I was a printer in the handset type, offset, and later linotype before going into the Military.
     
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  20. Hommer

    Hommer Curator of Semi Precious Coinage

    It got the H4 position too.
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  21. AustinJ0324

    AustinJ0324 Well-Known Member

    Whoa nice scores on the error notes. How did you guys get those?
     
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