Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Jeff Callahan, Dec 18, 2020.
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I meant no disrespect. I am just new to this and keep getting excited for nothing, it seems. LOL. Just gotta keep up the hunt I guess. Thanks.
I understand and never thought you showed any disrespect. I've been a collector for over 60 years. There's so much to learn you just can't learn it all.
I wasn't referring to you. You can learn a lot here and by going to other official sites. The majority of people that post videos about coins are ignorant.
Wexler provides an explanation of how a doubled die can occur during the single press method in the following link. Its toward the middle
While you can debate whether Class IX doubling is true doubling or is a variation of mechanical doubling, it is on the die as manufactured, not due to loose equipment during the striking process, so IMO its a doubled die. That being said, based on Wexlers explanation, I don't see their being a lot of interest (and therefore value) in Class IX doubling.
PCGS also has a couple modern varieties listed.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about. I'd suggest doing some research.
@Jeff Callahan. http://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/#:~:text=Doubled dies that are the result of a design mismatch,of eight classes are recognized.
IMO this type of doubled die coin adds no significant value to the coin but others most likely disagree with my opinion.
Sounds like anything less than an EDS coin in MS70 is simply damaged merchandise to some collectors?
Doubled Dies can and do happen in a number of ways. That is why we are up to Class 9, I believe. Some collectors feel class 6 doubling is a waste of time but there is no debate on whether it is hub doubling. Personally, I like class 6 doubling but find it taxing to attribute sometimes.
Some collectors don't "believe" doubled dies can happen in the single squeeze process and that's their prerogative (even though expert numismatists have explained and accepted them). Don't spoil it for newer collectors starting out, where this may be the only opportunity for them to be able to collect true doubled dies without spending a fortune. This hobby is about the thrill of the hunt and being able to actually find some varieties is a great way to reward the effort.
A doubled working die has been defined long before I arrived in 2013 as doubling to the working die that occurs during the hubbing process.
Do you believe that class 6 doubled dies are doubled dies since they are "smeared"?
Some of these modern doubled dies are created by human intervention. It has been reported/witnessed by experts on a tour of the mint, that a mint employee confirmed they stop the single squeeze on occasion to re-align the working hub on the working die. This was determined to be how some of the modern doubled dies occur.
And IMHO, counter stamping coins or other Post Strike Damage wouldn't be part of the die making process, although there are collectors that like them.
You've probably got decades more experience than I do, but I respectfully disagree about newcomers being "sucked in". Being there myself in 2013 I was looking for stability and uniformity of information. There was lots to digest and learn (I still am), but speculating about the reasons for why "they" agreed to add a class of doubling isn't helpful to newer members. BTW- I don't recall anyone mentioning these modern doubled dies being extremely valuable, although some are hard to find (Rare, maybe?).
You may not like this class but please let's keep the information consistent to keep from confusing newer collectors.
(This is the point where my wife asks me to get off my soapbox. )
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