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Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Wade Elliott, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Active Member

    What the? The lettering of the words on west Virginia and E Pluribus Unum seems like a Die slid or something there abouts. It's confusing how this could have happened. Thanks in advance. 20211117_221854.jpg 20211117_221914.jpg 20211117_221951.jpg 20211117_222040.jpg 20211117_222117.jpg 20211117_221642.jpg 20211117_221656.jpg 20211117_221711.jpg 20211117_221629.jpg 20211117_221726.jpg
     
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  3. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Die Deterioration…just a best guess.

    Dude…you need to tell us/ask us a specific question. Don’t make us guess what you mean.
     
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  4. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Active Member

     
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  5. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    Well, as far as sliding goes…the coin is locked into a collar, then struck, then kicked out of the press. Depending on the age of the die, the age of the collar, the angle the die is at at the moment of the strike…all of these can induce slippage but they are usually very minor amounts, from virtually zero slippage when the die set is new to greater and greater amounts as the die set ages.

    I don’t know how many coins per die set the Mint targets, but they push the limits quite frequently, and your coin is a good example. Anytime you see incomplete numerals, letters or design devices you should think of deterioration, and a shattered die is a catastrophic failure of a deteriorated die.
     
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  6. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Does look like die deterioration to me, for all I know- which isn't much.
     
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  7. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 U.S Casual Collector / Error Collector

    Oh @lordmarcovan !! Bite your tongue . Your a Chivalry man, you are . :happy:
     
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  8. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Active Member

    So west Virginia is not raised, it's actually recessed...e pluribus unum IS raised as in over filled. Why is that?
     
  9. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    The word is incused. The deterioration of the die no longer depresses into the planchet at the worn spots. Incomplete letters. On UNUM, the worn spots on the die allow extra metal to flow in.
     
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  10. charley

    charley Well-Known Member

    Mr. Elliott, my only comment is, can I request the use of W, instead of w, for the word West?
    I realize the town of Elliott in West Virginia is extinct now, but that is no reason to diss the whole State.
     
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  11. Wade Elliott

    Wade Elliott Active Member

    Absolutely.
    Thank you!
     
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  12. Spark1951

    Spark1951 Accomplishment, not Activity

    @Wade Elliott ….go to error-ref.com, Part VI Striking Errors for more information about incused lettering and numerals. The site will set you straight on what is a true Mint error as opposed to those errors that do not happen at the Mint.

    And there is also our resident error expert @paddyman98 …who has 35 years expertise with errors. If you contact paddyman, have some patience. He will eventually respond…after he gets back home from metal detecting!…Spark
     
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  13. Mountain Man

    Mountain Man Well-Known Member

    If he isn't out metal detecting. LOL
     
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