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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;usmc60, post: 2310022, member: 76739&quot;]Sir if I was new in error coin collecting as I was many many years ago, when I started my research I found numismaticerror.com and went to Glossary of numismatic terms.&nbsp; This is the definition that I grew up with.&nbsp; And like you this is a touchy subject with me to.&nbsp; I was told when I started collecting that this debate was going on for longer than even the person could remember.&nbsp; The basics. cud-cause broken die. die-chip-cause-broken die. die crack-cause-die fracture do you see where I&#039;m going with this, all I&#039;m saying is that they&#039;re both cause by the same thing.&nbsp; And I don&#039;t know whoever came up with that ruled that it&#039;s not a cud unless it is not touching the rim.&nbsp; And I would most definitely like to have this debate with him or her,[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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