2013 fort mc henry new ddr ?

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by Raizac, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    so looking at J.wexlers and variety vista I do not see this exact DDR. full cion phot from pixel 3 phone PXL_20210225_124946233.jpg PXL_20210225_125118094.jpg 2013-P fort mchenry002  new DDR show.jpg 2013-P fort mchenry003  new DDR show.jpg 2013-P fort mchenry004  new DDR show.jpg
     
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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Wow, Sorry , I have no idea what your looking at . Help me/us see what your seeing for educational purposes . Thanks . :confused:
     
  4. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

  5. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Not new to Doubled Dies not Double die . I'm am new however to the 2013 DD Maryland coin . I must be blind because I don't see it . Can anyone explain this one to me ? :meh:
     
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  6. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    look @ the windows lower part of the windows/door @ the bottom, and the starburst in the middle can u not follow the photos they show what u need to look at?

    the green lines ARE THE DOUBLING
     
  7. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    This is a normla lookin coin coin phoyo.png
     
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  8. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Okay , I'll take your word for it . You have the coin after all . Which one out of the 16 ! variations do you think you have ?
     
  9. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    i did say this is a new ddr! but WDDR-008 is close but not showing the bottom firework-burst or right side of the coin so i can't say its wddr-008

    if your on a computer click on the photo and it will in-LARGE YOU WILL SEE THE DOUBLING BETTER
     
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  10. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    here a closer look 2013-P fort mchenry005  new DDR .jpg
    The firework is upside down sorry 2013-P fort mchenry006  new DDR .jpg 2013-P fort mchenry007  new DDR .jpg
     
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  11. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else

    @Raizac are there any die markers listed in the entry. Coins may not show all anomalies due to die stage.
     
  12. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    no this is what Wddr-008 says
    2013-P 25¢ MD WDDR-008

    Description: Doubling spread to the south shows on the bottom of the arch, the bottom of the three windows above the arch, the roof above the windows, and along the roof line to the right of the windows and the arch.

    Die Markers: Obverse: None significant. Reverse: None significant.

    Submitted By: Don Hall

    Cross References: None known

    Comments: This variety is very similar to WDDR-005 but lacks the doubling on the spray of the firework burst.

    2013-P 25¢ MD WDDR-005 "Best Of" Variety

    Description: Doubling spread to the south shows on the bottom of the arch, the bottom of the three windows above the arch, and along the roof line. Slight doubling shows on the bottom right spray from the lower firework burst.

    Die Markers: Obverse: None significant. Reverse: None significant.

    Submitted By: Marilyn Keeney & Daniel Ksycki

    Cross References: None known


    "quoted from j.wexlers web page:"
    my coin the doubling is in the middle of the firework spray
     
  13. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else

    The close up you provided of the firework "burst", in the central part as you pointed out, "doubling"appears on both sides of each ray. This is normally a sign of a very worn die. I, therefore, am of the opinion it is Die Deterioration Doubling.
     
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  14. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    where are u looking? as there is no

    2013-P fort mchenry008 sbs  new DDR .jpg
     
  15. expat

    expat Remember you are unique, just like everyone else

    Screenshot 2021-02-25 183118.jpg Screenshot 2021-02-25 183118.jpg
    If you look at each "ray", there is flattening to both sides
     
  16. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    wow, what is going on with ppl on coin talk? you have no clue anymore I know what I'm talking about . Untitled.png
    you can clearly see split it in the firework burst middle this is not shelf like at all the shelf-like will not have a defined split it would merge back into the device or look like it's cut into the device I will just send this into J. Wexler and prove you wrong again just like this one 2020-d salt-004-ccfopt.jpg anacs Discovery pice.jpg
     
  17. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    I missed class this morning, what did I miss?
     
  18. Raizac

    Raizac Well-Known Member

    You will need to read up on what you have missed
     
  19. mike estes

    mike estes Well-Known Member

    hey Raizac nice find. how much is a error like this worth? good luck man
     
  20. PennyRich

    PennyRich Active Member

    I certainly see what you’re referencing. I myself am curious to see what others say for my own educational purposes, because I’ve come across things like this on other coins, but informative sites tell me machine/strike doubling. We all know I’m new and can’t provide a solid response, but I’m curious to know what the final determination is.
     
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  21. Oldhoopster

    Oldhoopster Member of the ANA since 1982

    The mint uses a single squeeze method for making dies, which theoretically should have eliminated doubled dies. However, during the single squeeze process, the hub can shift slightly as it's pressing, which can result in a doubled appearance, much like Mechanical Doubling on a coin. It's called Class IX doubling. Technically, they are doubled dies as the doubling occurs during the die making process, not the minting process, but the mechanism is different than the older doubling. That's why they look flat.

    Unfortunately, many collectors don't get very excited over Class IX doubling. IMO, they seem to be more common than the traditional doubling and look a lot like MD (NOTE: I have no data to back this up and could be wrong).

    Some links to Class IX doubling
    http://www.error-ref.com/doubled-dies/
    https://www.doubleddie.com/58222.html
     
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