2012 D 5c Jefferson MD?

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  1. Bargainbidder

    Bargainbidder Active Member

    Evening,
    2012 D 5c here just trying to figure if it is MD, DD or both. Nice example that I need to put in collection.
    Thanks
     

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  3. SensibleSal66

    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

    Hey , nice pics . If it's a MD or DD is the question ? It can' be both silly . :rolleyes:
    I see MD if I imagine it , but ideally everything looks normal. Peace .
     
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  4. Pickin and Grinin

    Pickin and Grinin Well-Known Member

    It is MD Bargainbidder.
    Just to clarify, there is nothing in any mint variety or error hand book that says a coin cannot be both a "Doubled Die" and have Machine doubling. The MD will certainly take away most of the value because the DDO/DDR is flattened partially from the worthless doubling.
     
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    SensibleSal66 Casual Collector / error expert "in Training "

  6. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    The difficulty of analyzing a coin with both MD & DD would make my head explode.:eek:
     
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  7. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    These were single-squeezed dies, not double-squeezed dies. Only double-squeezed dies can cause die doubling. That understood, any “die doubling” on this coin is simply fictitious.

    To elaborate some, if this doubling came from these single-squeezed dies, it was imparted due to a misalignment of the hub when the dies were single-squeezed by the hub. The hub was a fraction tilted in relationship to the die, leaving behind a smear or bounce on the die.

    While it’s near impossible to differentiate this fictitious die doubling from strike doubling, still, differentiate and classify the “experts” do in volumes of otherwise unintelligible pet designations. I just call this strike doubling because indeed it’s due to a single strike, whether from the hub to make the die, or the die to make the coin. More than you needed to know, I’m sure...
     
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  8. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    o_O:eek::confused::nailbiting::banghead:
     
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  9. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    :)
     
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  10. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Yep Robert I agree! Just a nickel, spend it. Better luck ahead, keep searching.
     
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  11. Collecting Nut

    Collecting Nut Borderline Hoarder

    Looks like MD to me so it's a spender.
     
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  12. Cheech9712

    Cheech9712 Every thing is a guess

    What the hell. You lost me
     
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  13. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Here, see if this helps any. Call it a slightly more wordy way of saying the same thing...

    https://doubleddie.com/58222.html
     
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  14. mike estes

    mike estes Active Member

    really nice pictures Bargainbidder. yea all i see is MD. wish it was a new DD for you. good luck
     
  15. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Simply put, when the dies are created, only one impression (squeeze) is made. New processes eliminated the need for a second squeeze, which is what potentially could create die doubling, so no true doubled die coins for the nickel, if I remember correctly, since the mid 2000's. The same new process is used for the cent and dime. The quarter was next for single squeeze. Not sure about the half dollar or dollar.
     
  16. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    It can be both as our fellow enthusiasts state -

    1972DDOMD.jpg
     
  17. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    But only potentially on multi-squeeze dies.
     
  18. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    And to take it just a tad further, the reason for the new "doublings" starts with the die blanks, which are seated in a collar, to keep them still for the hubbing. That collar's diameter is necessarily wider than the diameters of the blank and hub, to fit the blank, and to accommodate the hub when it strikes it. There's "play" in the collar. John Wexler describes that well. The blank slides for it. The blank also jumps, and that's a little bit different a description. But my point is, it's the same exact thing as happens in strike doubling. In strike doubling, the planchet moves in the collar, in the single-squeeze doubling, the die blank moves in that collar, and its that movement that imparts that doubling. In the older double-squeeze hubbings, there are actually two distinct images, from two distinct strikes, just off from one another.
     
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  19. eddiespin

    eddiespin Fast Eddie

    Loving that new avatar dood. :)
     
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  20. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Well stated. I wonder how many are o_O:confused:
     
  21. Robert Ransom

    Robert Ransom Well-Known Member

    Thanks. I'm patriotic, so why not?
     
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