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<p>[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 800706, member: 13650"]From year to year, I don't see prices change much more than $5 to $10 at the most unless it's gold. Most stuff you compare, the prices don't even change. That's why many people skip years buying them. </p><p><br /></p><p> I think a lot of people act like there's some $50 to $100 wild swings on common stuff from year to year, trying to keep up with the market and there just isn't.</p><p><br /></p><p> If you want exact, up to the minute, to the penny prices, it can't do that. I don't think anything can! If you want a convenient, handheld guide of prices that are accurate to within +/- 10% almost every time, it does do that. But you just have to realize that. I don't consider that bad. </p><p><br /></p><p> Let's look at a random example. I found a NGC 1849-O XF40 one dollar gold piece that I really liked. A neat, late die state coin with some interesting die cracks. Mintage- 215,000 Total NGC/PCGS pop. <1000</p><p><br /></p><p> Ok. Lets look up the price and compare with what the seller wants.</p><p><br /></p><p> 2009 Redbook - $300</p><p> 2010 Redbook- $285</p><p> NGC price guide-$275</p><p> Current grey sheet- ?? Don't know. The prices are generic for these so would not be helpful to me anyway.</p><p> Seller's asking price for the coin- $290 with free shipping. (figure shipping will be $5-$10 insured)</p><p><br /></p><p> So asking price is $15 above NGC and $5 above current Redbook. Now, I know many would say they have to buy 20% below Redbook before they will buy or feel like they got a 'deal'. But in reality, if they want this coin, then they can't buy it. Because the seller isn't going to drop the price 20% for them and then take a 12% cut in fees on top of it. <u>So they simply can't buy the coin. </u> </p><p><br /></p><p> In that case, neither pricing opinion is right. The transaction simply does not happen.</p><p> </p><p> Even though I felt the price could have been better, but realizing this seller is going to lose 12% ($35) in fees on top of it and shipping was included, I decided this was a fair enough price for me and purchased it. Because it was somewhat unique and I doubted I would find one like it at a show. </p><p><br /></p><p> I didn't buy it for a quick flip to brag about. I never do. It was for my collection and to me, I felt it was worth it. I don't care what somebody on a soap box thinks I 'should' have paid for it. I don't feel the need to low ball a seller every time to feel good about buying something. Sometimes it's just fair and you take it or leave it.</p><p><br /></p><p> So, given this information, I paid less than 2% or $5 over current redbook price with free shipping. Even though I did not consult it alone, was the redbook a good, bad or 'adequate enough' guide for this transaction? </p><p><br /></p><p> I know the proper thing to do is for everyone to jump on the bandwagon and act like it's such a horrible guide but I've never thought it was that out of line for 90% of what's in it. Maybe I'm the only one that sees this but IMO, people blow it WAY out of proportion. </p><p><br /></p><p> I've given many examples how close it actually can be. I've never had anyone show real examples of how far off it is. I would be interested to see them. I don't disagree that they may be there. But I haven't run across these huge discrepancies in my day to day dealings. Therefore, I don't tend to attack it as others do. </p><p><br /></p><p>Just my 0.02 cents on the matter. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie9" alt=":eek:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Vess1, post: 800706, member: 13650"]From year to year, I don't see prices change much more than $5 to $10 at the most unless it's gold. Most stuff you compare, the prices don't even change. That's why many people skip years buying them. I think a lot of people act like there's some $50 to $100 wild swings on common stuff from year to year, trying to keep up with the market and there just isn't. If you want exact, up to the minute, to the penny prices, it can't do that. I don't think anything can! If you want a convenient, handheld guide of prices that are accurate to within +/- 10% almost every time, it does do that. But you just have to realize that. I don't consider that bad. Let's look at a random example. I found a NGC 1849-O XF40 one dollar gold piece that I really liked. A neat, late die state coin with some interesting die cracks. Mintage- 215,000 Total NGC/PCGS pop. <1000 Ok. Lets look up the price and compare with what the seller wants. 2009 Redbook - $300 2010 Redbook- $285 NGC price guide-$275 Current grey sheet- ?? Don't know. The prices are generic for these so would not be helpful to me anyway. Seller's asking price for the coin- $290 with free shipping. (figure shipping will be $5-$10 insured) So asking price is $15 above NGC and $5 above current Redbook. Now, I know many would say they have to buy 20% below Redbook before they will buy or feel like they got a 'deal'. But in reality, if they want this coin, then they can't buy it. Because the seller isn't going to drop the price 20% for them and then take a 12% cut in fees on top of it. [U]So they simply can't buy the coin. [/U] In that case, neither pricing opinion is right. The transaction simply does not happen. Even though I felt the price could have been better, but realizing this seller is going to lose 12% ($35) in fees on top of it and shipping was included, I decided this was a fair enough price for me and purchased it. Because it was somewhat unique and I doubted I would find one like it at a show. I didn't buy it for a quick flip to brag about. I never do. It was for my collection and to me, I felt it was worth it. I don't care what somebody on a soap box thinks I 'should' have paid for it. I don't feel the need to low ball a seller every time to feel good about buying something. Sometimes it's just fair and you take it or leave it. So, given this information, I paid less than 2% or $5 over current redbook price with free shipping. Even though I did not consult it alone, was the redbook a good, bad or 'adequate enough' guide for this transaction? I know the proper thing to do is for everyone to jump on the bandwagon and act like it's such a horrible guide but I've never thought it was that out of line for 90% of what's in it. Maybe I'm the only one that sees this but IMO, people blow it WAY out of proportion. I've given many examples how close it actually can be. I've never had anyone show real examples of how far off it is. I would be interested to see them. I don't disagree that they may be there. But I haven't run across these huge discrepancies in my day to day dealings. Therefore, I don't tend to attack it as others do. Just my 0.02 cents on the matter. :o[/QUOTE]
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