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<p>[QUOTE="dcarr, post: 1003643, member: 4781"]I claim that my 1964-D Peace Dollar fantasy over-strikes started out as genuine 1922-1935 Peace Silver Dollars, with no metal added or removed. It is no different than a hobo nickel carver claiming that their host coin is a genuine Buffalo Nickel. In both cases, the claims are accurate. It is not illegal to deface money.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Looking at a 1935 coin just isn't the same. That isn't "forbidden fruit", and no 1921-1935 Peace Dollar looks like it just came off the coin press having never touched anything else. The high-grade aspect of a pristine Peace Silver Dollar (that otherwise wouldn't exist) is part of the allure.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I don't follow your contention here. I make it very clear that these are modern fantasy over-strikes on genuine circa 1922-1935 Peace Silver Dollars. My "advertisements" make that perfectly clear - they even include the word "defacement".</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It seems that the "floodgates" are already open with respect to Chinese counterfeits (and those really are unmaked non-monetized fakes of legal-tender US coins with dates and mint-marks that <i>were</i> originally issued). My pieces are easily recognizable due to the date alone. A potential buyer of one is going to fall into one of two categories:</p><p><br /></p><p>1) Novice - If they don't know anything about the 1964 story, then they are not going to pay much for one, especially when they could get an older 1922-1935 coin for $20.</p><p><br /></p><p>2) Average or Advanced Collector - They will likely know the story of the 1964-D Peace Dollars (if not, they fall into the "novice" category). When looking at one of the fantasy over-strikes, they will have to assume one of two things: either it is a fantasy recreation; or it is a genuine coin. They will also realize that, if the latter, the coin would be subject to confiscation (illegal to own). So if they pay a lot of money for one, they will know the risks.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>No laws have been broken here !</p><p><br /></p><p>My motivation has been stated previously. Ultimately, I wanted my own "forbidden fruit". Unscrupulous and devious behavior already exists to a considerable extent in the world of collectibles. The law allows money to be defaced, so long as coins aren't lightened (as in silver/gold shaving), and so long as commercial advertising isn't applied. The law allows coins to be altered, to look like something else, so long as it isn't for FRAUDULENT purposes. And "fraudulent" is the key word. You can take a 1944-D cent, cut off parts of the "4", and make it look like a valuable "1914-D" cent. You can even sell it for a profit. All of that is legal. However, if you try and pass it off as something it isn't (a genuine original 1914-D cent), then that is definitely illegal. The current laws regarding fraudulent activity, when enforced, are what holds back the "floodgates". Nothing I've done changes that.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dcarr, post: 1003643, member: 4781"]I claim that my 1964-D Peace Dollar fantasy over-strikes started out as genuine 1922-1935 Peace Silver Dollars, with no metal added or removed. It is no different than a hobo nickel carver claiming that their host coin is a genuine Buffalo Nickel. In both cases, the claims are accurate. It is not illegal to deface money. Looking at a 1935 coin just isn't the same. That isn't "forbidden fruit", and no 1921-1935 Peace Dollar looks like it just came off the coin press having never touched anything else. The high-grade aspect of a pristine Peace Silver Dollar (that otherwise wouldn't exist) is part of the allure. I don't follow your contention here. I make it very clear that these are modern fantasy over-strikes on genuine circa 1922-1935 Peace Silver Dollars. My "advertisements" make that perfectly clear - they even include the word "defacement". It seems that the "floodgates" are already open with respect to Chinese counterfeits (and those really are unmaked non-monetized fakes of legal-tender US coins with dates and mint-marks that [i]were[/i] originally issued). My pieces are easily recognizable due to the date alone. A potential buyer of one is going to fall into one of two categories: 1) Novice - If they don't know anything about the 1964 story, then they are not going to pay much for one, especially when they could get an older 1922-1935 coin for $20. 2) Average or Advanced Collector - They will likely know the story of the 1964-D Peace Dollars (if not, they fall into the "novice" category). When looking at one of the fantasy over-strikes, they will have to assume one of two things: either it is a fantasy recreation; or it is a genuine coin. They will also realize that, if the latter, the coin would be subject to confiscation (illegal to own). So if they pay a lot of money for one, they will know the risks. No laws have been broken here ! My motivation has been stated previously. Ultimately, I wanted my own "forbidden fruit". Unscrupulous and devious behavior already exists to a considerable extent in the world of collectibles. The law allows money to be defaced, so long as coins aren't lightened (as in silver/gold shaving), and so long as commercial advertising isn't applied. The law allows coins to be altered, to look like something else, so long as it isn't for FRAUDULENT purposes. And "fraudulent" is the key word. You can take a 1944-D cent, cut off parts of the "4", and make it look like a valuable "1914-D" cent. You can even sell it for a profit. All of that is legal. However, if you try and pass it off as something it isn't (a genuine original 1914-D cent), then that is definitely illegal. The current laws regarding fraudulent activity, when enforced, are what holds back the "floodgates". Nothing I've done changes that.[/QUOTE]
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