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Message:: [QUOTE="Bones-65, post: 8236576, member: 136030"]I didn't mean to confuse you.Let me clear this up.From 1 year ago until around this past Christmas if I had seen the reverse of that O9 VDB in say the end coin in a roll of Lincoln's I would have bet a good bit of money that it was an 09SVDB.Its got the correct shallow valley "N" in UNITED as a genuine SVDB!Its got all the periods in the designer's initials in the correct location!The center cross bar of the "B" has the correct slant!Well, I would have lost the bet. That coin is a 1909-P VDB!I thought the Philly mint designer's initials were ALL different than the San Francisco Mint, WRONG!There was some design changes to the reverse of the 09's for both mints.There is an early version with a shallow valley "N" in UNITED and matching designer's initials, then there was a later version of the reverse that used a deep valley "N" for both mints, PLUS the philly mint slightly changed the designer's initials, the San Francisco mint drop the VDB earlier than the Philly mint did. Here is both sides of that 09P-VDB. [ATTACH=full]1449108[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1449109[/ATTACH] Okay, here is a diagnostic image about the correct the VDB on a 09SVDB.The image is correct for the SVDB!But, its only half correct for the 09P-VDB! I didn't know that. [ATTACH=full]1449110[/ATTACH] Then when I found the information on the deep and shallow "N" in UNITED, and I found that both verities were produced at the Philly Mint. Once I learned that I went on a search for what's been referred to as Type 1 I already had a Type 2. (note! there is NO Official Type 1 & 2, even though two actually exist. I may have the only Lincoln collection in the world that has both LoL! Here is the image of showing the information about "N" in UNITED. [ATTACH=full]1449111[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]

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