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<p>[QUOTE="Fallguy, post: 4363196, member: 84739"]Thank you for the link, I reviewed it with keen interest; much appreciated! From <a href="http://www.coinsandcanada.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinsandcanada.com/" rel="nofollow">www.coinsandcanada.com</a> you can access 2 pages (actually 3, but I’ll get to that in a moment) germane to the topic at hand. One is <b>Doubled Die – Examples (</b><a href="https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=doubled-die&id=32" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=doubled-die&id=32" rel="nofollow">https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=doubled-die&id=32</a>) and the other is <b>Deteriorated Die – Examples (</b><a href="https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=deteriorated-die&id=11" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=deteriorated-die&id=11" rel="nofollow">https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=deteriorated-die&id=11</a>). It is interesting to note that regardless of the page the individual photos are listed on, a few of the photos’ file names indicate “doubled” die, some say “deteriorated-die”, but by far most carry a file name with <b><u>“double” die</u></b> (emphasis added), and why this may be the case I will mention later. My overall take, after looking at every one of the photos listed, is that other than for possibly 2 or 3 coins the rest of the coins are examples of coins displaying Die Deterioration Doubling, Machine Doubling, or a combination of both; regardless of which “Page” they are displayed on or what their file names might indicate. In all fairness to <a href="http://www.coinsandcanada.com/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.coinsandcanada.com/" rel="nofollow">www.coinsandcanada.com</a> they do state on each of those Pages: “<i>Most of the following pictures come from the generous contribution of the community. Titles attributed to them doesn't always reflect the exact error or variety on them.</i>” <b>NB:</b> I wish to stress that my comments above (and below) are solely my opinions based on my observations. As such, the interested reader is encouraged to use these links so that they may reach their own conclusions. Of course I would be happy to hear the response of those who have done so just to see how they compare to my understanding. With that said, here are a few representative photos.</p><p><br /></p><p>I lead with this 1979 cent, as it appears on both Pages: One listed as a “Double” die and the photo here with a file name indicating “deteriorated-die”.[ATTACH=full]1102830[/ATTACH] I think the latter wins the prizeJ! The next two photos (2 and 3) are 1943 and 1962 Nickels.[ATTACH=full]1102831[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102832[/ATTACH] Both are listed as “double”, the first of the “S” and the second of the “C” and last “A” in “CANADA”. It appears to me that the “S” is pretty clearly the result of MD and the “C” and “A” the victims of DDD or MD. Photo 4, the 2012 Quarter (again listed as a “double”),[ATTACH=full]1102833[/ATTACH] is interesting given that the “2” and “N” certainly look like MD, but the “star” and possibly the tips of the antlers seem to have the appearance of true doubling. I just don’t know and would like to hear others impressions. I like the 2009 $2 in Photo 5 due to the nice rounding on the “N”;[ATTACH=full]1102834[/ATTACH] sadly it appears on both the internal and external legs of the “N”. As telling, the remainder of the designs marked by the black arrows look they are due to DDD. Photos 6 & 7, a 2009 $1 and a 1968 $1,[ATTACH=full]1102835[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102836[/ATTACH] of all of the photos from the 2 web pages appear to be the best candidates for actually being struck by a Doubled Die; that is the way I am leaning, but I’m certainly open to others views. The last 3 photos in this series, (Photos 8, 9 & 10) a 2000 25 cents, a view of the OP’s Nickel, and a 1990 10 cent piece respectively.[ATTACH=full]1102837[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102838[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102839[/ATTACH] I choose these photos because they all show “ELIZABETH”, but in what I believe different states. The 25 cent piece appears to show the effects of one type of DDD and possibly MD. The OP’s Nickel is the product of what I believe to be a Doubled Die. The 1990 Dime is certainly what looks to be the result of being struck by the penultimate Classic Deteriorated Die:</p><p><br /></p><p> “<b><i>Also, since dies showing die deterioration doubling are extremely worn, <u>the affected letters or other design elements will have a mushy appearance</u> as opposed to the crisp and distinct doubling usually seen on genuine doubled dies.</i></b>” Wexler, <u>Die Deterioration Doubling</u> (<b><i>Emphasis Added</i></b>).</p><p><br /></p><p>“<b><i>Perhaps the best way to understand die deterioration doubling is comparing what happens when we purchase new shoes. Those brand spanking new shoes have a sharp and distinct tread on the bottom of the soles. After many months of continued walking, the soles become worn and deteriorated and we notice a mushy, ragged looking appearance when we leave an impression in the dirt or sand! Well, the same thing happens with dies that make it thru a production run at the U.S. Mint. The die first exhibits a sharp, well defined designs of the coin, <u>but after continued use the mushy, ragged appearance becomes evident.</u> This late to very late die state gives us the false doubling known as die deterioration doubling (DDD)</i></b> . . .” The National Collectors Association of Die Doubling "Educational Series on Die Doubling" <u>Series #2: Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD) vs. Hub Doubling</u> (<b><i>Emphasis Added</i></b>).</p><p><br /></p><p><b>POST CONTINUED BELOW</b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Fallguy, post: 4363196, member: 84739"]Thank you for the link, I reviewed it with keen interest; much appreciated! From [URL='http://www.coinsandcanada.com/']www.coinsandcanada.com[/URL] you can access 2 pages (actually 3, but I’ll get to that in a moment) germane to the topic at hand. One is [B]Doubled Die – Examples ([/B][URL]https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=doubled-die&id=32[/URL]) and the other is [B]Deteriorated Die – Examples ([/B][URL]https://www.coinsandcanada.com/coins-errors-varieties-list.php?error=deteriorated-die&id=11[/URL]). It is interesting to note that regardless of the page the individual photos are listed on, a few of the photos’ file names indicate “doubled” die, some say “deteriorated-die”, but by far most carry a file name with [B][U]“double” die[/U][/B] (emphasis added), and why this may be the case I will mention later. My overall take, after looking at every one of the photos listed, is that other than for possibly 2 or 3 coins the rest of the coins are examples of coins displaying Die Deterioration Doubling, Machine Doubling, or a combination of both; regardless of which “Page” they are displayed on or what their file names might indicate. In all fairness to [URL='http://www.coinsandcanada.com/']www.coinsandcanada.com[/URL] they do state on each of those Pages: “[I]Most of the following pictures come from the generous contribution of the community. Titles attributed to them doesn't always reflect the exact error or variety on them.[/I]” [B]NB:[/B] I wish to stress that my comments above (and below) are solely my opinions based on my observations. As such, the interested reader is encouraged to use these links so that they may reach their own conclusions. Of course I would be happy to hear the response of those who have done so just to see how they compare to my understanding. With that said, here are a few representative photos. I lead with this 1979 cent, as it appears on both Pages: One listed as a “Double” die and the photo here with a file name indicating “deteriorated-die”.[ATTACH=full]1102830[/ATTACH] I think the latter wins the prizeJ! The next two photos (2 and 3) are 1943 and 1962 Nickels.[ATTACH=full]1102831[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102832[/ATTACH] Both are listed as “double”, the first of the “S” and the second of the “C” and last “A” in “CANADA”. It appears to me that the “S” is pretty clearly the result of MD and the “C” and “A” the victims of DDD or MD. Photo 4, the 2012 Quarter (again listed as a “double”),[ATTACH=full]1102833[/ATTACH] is interesting given that the “2” and “N” certainly look like MD, but the “star” and possibly the tips of the antlers seem to have the appearance of true doubling. I just don’t know and would like to hear others impressions. I like the 2009 $2 in Photo 5 due to the nice rounding on the “N”;[ATTACH=full]1102834[/ATTACH] sadly it appears on both the internal and external legs of the “N”. As telling, the remainder of the designs marked by the black arrows look they are due to DDD. Photos 6 & 7, a 2009 $1 and a 1968 $1,[ATTACH=full]1102835[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102836[/ATTACH] of all of the photos from the 2 web pages appear to be the best candidates for actually being struck by a Doubled Die; that is the way I am leaning, but I’m certainly open to others views. The last 3 photos in this series, (Photos 8, 9 & 10) a 2000 25 cents, a view of the OP’s Nickel, and a 1990 10 cent piece respectively.[ATTACH=full]1102837[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102838[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1102839[/ATTACH] I choose these photos because they all show “ELIZABETH”, but in what I believe different states. The 25 cent piece appears to show the effects of one type of DDD and possibly MD. The OP’s Nickel is the product of what I believe to be a Doubled Die. The 1990 Dime is certainly what looks to be the result of being struck by the penultimate Classic Deteriorated Die: “[B][I]Also, since dies showing die deterioration doubling are extremely worn, [U]the affected letters or other design elements will have a mushy appearance[/U] as opposed to the crisp and distinct doubling usually seen on genuine doubled dies.[/I][/B]” Wexler, [U]Die Deterioration Doubling[/U] ([B][I]Emphasis Added[/I][/B]). “[B][I]Perhaps the best way to understand die deterioration doubling is comparing what happens when we purchase new shoes. Those brand spanking new shoes have a sharp and distinct tread on the bottom of the soles. After many months of continued walking, the soles become worn and deteriorated and we notice a mushy, ragged looking appearance when we leave an impression in the dirt or sand! Well, the same thing happens with dies that make it thru a production run at the U.S. Mint. The die first exhibits a sharp, well defined designs of the coin, [U]but after continued use the mushy, ragged appearance becomes evident.[/U] This late to very late die state gives us the false doubling known as die deterioration doubling (DDD)[/I][/B] . . .” The National Collectors Association of Die Doubling "Educational Series on Die Doubling" [U]Series #2: Die Deterioration Doubling (DDD) vs. Hub Doubling[/U] ([B][I]Emphasis Added[/I][/B]). [B]POST CONTINUED BELOW[/B][/QUOTE]
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