2003 Alabama weird M.D.

Discussion in 'Error Coins' started by usmc60, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Check it out for yourself
     

    Attached Files:

  2. Avatar

    Guest User Guest



    to hide this ad.
  3. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Typical for many States and Parks Quarters.

    Your quarter has been struck from worn, or
    overused dies.

    More of an anomaly than an error.
     
    Kentucky likes this.
  4. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Thank you Fred. I agree with you I wish I could show you what I consider unusual.
    But it seems quite a few members are really offended by my close-ups.

    So Fred basically I'm gonna have to try and explain this. As you can see in the photo the lower part of the bust you can see damage but what you can't see is how the die has dug down into the surface of the coin.
    That's where the penetration is the heaviest, then you go down to what looks like mechanical doubling.
    This penetration is not as deep on the bottom side of the letters. Which is giving a false Allusion in the photo of mechanical doubling.
    This proceeds over to the mint mark light mark on the right side, and up into the letters very light marks on the right side of in God we trust.

    USMC60
     
  5. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

    Everything you mention is from
    the worn or overused dies.

    The die doesn't 'dig' into the surface.
    It strikes it, and if the die itself it
    worn/overused, it will leave the effect
    you see on the coin.

    This is very common on many States
    Quarters, and for some reason, even
    more so on the Parks Quarter series.

    (I didn't say it showed MD)
     
    Kentucky, Stevearino and paddyman98 like this.
  6. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    No sir you never said anything about M.D.

    I agree with you on what you're saying I've seen thousands of them maybe a small portion to what you seen.
    Just as you have described from a worn die.
    Fred I really don't care what the other members think about Close-ups but you should see this one. It's basically showing what I was describing.After looking at the photo I was even surprised at how far this disturbance goes out into the surface of the coin. USMC60
     

    Attached Files:

  7. Fred Weinberg

    Fred Weinberg Well-Known Member

  8. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    Sir if I may throw my theory towards you. What I believe we are seeing is a debris buildup on the die. And we are seeing the image of that debris.

    Why I believe this is because the image goes into the bust of The coin. Where
    If the die was broken the image would protrude from the bust.
    This is just an old Marine's theory. USMC60
     
  9. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    I think it's all just a worn die issue. IMHO
     
  10. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Same here.
     
  11. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    paddyman98
    Agreed most of the coin shows signs of a worn die.
    Please explain to me how the worn die can penetrate the bust of a coin and leave the mess that I have showed you.2 and 2 does not equal five nor does a worn die explains the damage on the bust.

    In the very short time of 20 years I have seen my fair share of worn dies.
    But common sense tells me, if there is an impression likes on the bust of this quarter and can only possibly be by contaminant which left an impression in the bust.

    A worn die explains the majority of what you see on the coin.
    But it does not explain the damage on the bust. I would be more than interested to hear your theory of how this damage occurred.
    And in my visual observation especially having the coin in hand a worn die does not fit the damage.

    USMC60
     
  12. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    What kind of contaminant? Dies are clear of debris.
    I imagine just as Fred stated when the Die used is worn down it sort of starts to break away. Leaving that anomalous look to it. Debris would be struck through.
     
  13. usmc60

    usmc60 SEMPER FI

    If there's one individual on this forum that I respect their opinion it is you. I think we can discuss this issue like to collectors would discussion and issue.

    alb-6.jpg
    Of course let's start up at the top right. Those lines are indicating some left over production debris that remained embedded on the coin, which if you look closely you can see that it does not have the signs of a chip.
    Now moving over to the left side top that big open space down below is the sign of a big wad of production debris that was down in the recess of the die. Now all along the bottom you can see where it actually goes down into the coin.

    I don't know when I look closely I see the reverse image of production debris.
    Common sense tells me if any part of the die itself was damage you are going to see raised metal to indicate that damage, not an impression in the bottom portion of the bust and surface of the coin. Common sense tells you that's a build-up much of material within the die this will cause the impression that you Are seeing.And of course machine doubling in the letters.

    And it looks like I can use the same photo to point out your aspects of what you are saying. The to three lines on the right top of the bust which looked like chips.
    Would explain what would happen if the die was cracked or damaged.
    You would expect to see this buildup especially on the bottom.

    But I see in impression not a glob of metal. There was some kind of buildup on that portion of the die to cause this impression.
    Like you Patty I got a nice photo in my collection that well demonstrate a worn die, and how it embeds himself along the image I'll have to find it and get back with you. USMC60
     
  14. paddyman98

    paddyman98 I'm a professional expert in specializing! Supporter

    Thank you..
    I'm at work so can't comment too much..
    But quickly I want to share with you this..
    Have you ever heard of a Rusted Die?
    http://www.error-ref.com/rusted-die/
     
Draft saved Draft deleted

Share This Page