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<p>[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4944084, member: 105098"]your is barely even starting to tone. a little red here and there forming on the reverse maybe some haze but its' so thin the camera's not getting it much yet.</p><p><br /></p><p>Now, I'm gonna get it from someone here.... LOL here goes...</p><p>Toning is a natural progression of metal, you can slow it, you can't stop it completely, it's what metals do when exposed to air/the environment. Some metals are less reactive, some are more reactive, pure gold in general doesn't tone quickly, but that also tones in time. The copper/silver in the 90% gold alloy used to make coins tones a bit more rapidly that 24K .9999 gold.</p><p><br /></p><p>Anyways, toning is the natural progression. it's better to have some toning than it is to have scratches or fingerprints or an overdipped coin. if you look at the coins of the greatest coin collections ever assembled, their examples have excellent toning. None of them are blast white, toning free coins because it's not natural, on the other hand, none of them are toned dark and ugly either to the point of terminal toning.</p><p><br /></p><p>Honestly, I know it's a constant argument, and there's going to be people that say no toning is acceptable to them, that's their preference, the fact is coins that are 20-40-60-80-100+ years old tone and the only real way to not have toning on them is to dip them and remove it but doing this a few times will damage the luster, and dipping a coin once can cause it to tone faster and uglier.</p><p><br /></p><p>Just my 2 cents. Unless a coin is stored in a vacuum, it’s going to toning will appear and continue to develop through it's existence. A coin that’s toned is in a normal "stage" of its life.</p><p>Even in worst cases, the tone color will normally take 100 years+ to reach its very darkest and usually its least attractive appearance and hit a thickness that could be detrimental or seen as ugly in which case conserving might be the best course of action. trying to remove it over and over again every time it appears leads to a damaged coin.</p><p><br /></p><p>Then again some people see any level toning at all as "ugly".</p><p>it's their collection and they can do what they want, but they are fighting a war that really can't be won. U[ to you if you want to fight the war against toning or not.</p><p>That particular coin has an outer layer of 77% copper, 12% zinc, 7% manganese and 4% nickel....</p><p>it's going to tone, it's way too much copper not to even with the manganese added in. From what I've seen though, they tone nice EXCEPT when they are touched a million times and circulated and gotten wet, ect. then they turn brown and crusty.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a few toners from PCGS working on 15 to 20 years all are proofs, they aren't mine and it depends on how it's stored and where, how fast it happens. I have a high humidity where I am all the time, even inside with the A/C on all the time, still humid. I gave up and just let it do it's thing a long time ago for my collection but toning happens slower in dryer environments, which is why they store tanks and planes and all that jazz out in the deserts so they don't rust.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1188461[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1188462[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1188463[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="John Burgess, post: 4944084, member: 105098"]your is barely even starting to tone. a little red here and there forming on the reverse maybe some haze but its' so thin the camera's not getting it much yet. Now, I'm gonna get it from someone here.... LOL here goes... Toning is a natural progression of metal, you can slow it, you can't stop it completely, it's what metals do when exposed to air/the environment. Some metals are less reactive, some are more reactive, pure gold in general doesn't tone quickly, but that also tones in time. The copper/silver in the 90% gold alloy used to make coins tones a bit more rapidly that 24K .9999 gold. Anyways, toning is the natural progression. it's better to have some toning than it is to have scratches or fingerprints or an overdipped coin. if you look at the coins of the greatest coin collections ever assembled, their examples have excellent toning. None of them are blast white, toning free coins because it's not natural, on the other hand, none of them are toned dark and ugly either to the point of terminal toning. Honestly, I know it's a constant argument, and there's going to be people that say no toning is acceptable to them, that's their preference, the fact is coins that are 20-40-60-80-100+ years old tone and the only real way to not have toning on them is to dip them and remove it but doing this a few times will damage the luster, and dipping a coin once can cause it to tone faster and uglier. Just my 2 cents. Unless a coin is stored in a vacuum, it’s going to toning will appear and continue to develop through it's existence. A coin that’s toned is in a normal "stage" of its life. Even in worst cases, the tone color will normally take 100 years+ to reach its very darkest and usually its least attractive appearance and hit a thickness that could be detrimental or seen as ugly in which case conserving might be the best course of action. trying to remove it over and over again every time it appears leads to a damaged coin. Then again some people see any level toning at all as "ugly". it's their collection and they can do what they want, but they are fighting a war that really can't be won. U[ to you if you want to fight the war against toning or not. That particular coin has an outer layer of 77% copper, 12% zinc, 7% manganese and 4% nickel.... it's going to tone, it's way too much copper not to even with the manganese added in. From what I've seen though, they tone nice EXCEPT when they are touched a million times and circulated and gotten wet, ect. then they turn brown and crusty. Here's a few toners from PCGS working on 15 to 20 years all are proofs, they aren't mine and it depends on how it's stored and where, how fast it happens. I have a high humidity where I am all the time, even inside with the A/C on all the time, still humid. I gave up and just let it do it's thing a long time ago for my collection but toning happens slower in dryer environments, which is why they store tanks and planes and all that jazz out in the deserts so they don't rust. [ATTACH=full]1188461[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1188462[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1188463[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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