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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3068110, member: 56859"]Hmm, this is going to be one which can only be narrowed down, not positively identified. There seems to be a hint of dotted border so that tidbit of info might help. The busts appear male and their heads appear bare although the wear could have removed traces of headgear. It's hard to say if there was any or much legend on either coin but I'm better there weren't extensive legends on either side.</p><p><br /></p><p>The general appearance of the busts on these coins (without headgear-- I think) makes me suspect an early provincial pairing of emperors or emperor and family/VIP/etc, rather than deity/deity or emperor/deity. Augustus or another Julio-Claudian is likely. ISEGRIM seems to bear this out. </p><p><br /></p><p>Looks like a good coin for practicing with [USER=82322]@Ed Snible[/USER]'s <a href="http://isegrim.mybluemix.net/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://isegrim.mybluemix.net/" rel="nofollow">ISEGRIM interface</a>. I still don't understand what terms the headings are looking for, but with some trial and error I plugged in AE for metal (that was easy), obverse type PORTRAIT MAN R, reverse type PORTRAIT MAN R, and set a size range to weed out coins that are clearly too large or too small (minimum size 16 mm, maximum size 19 mm).</p><p><br /></p><p>That gave 27 possibilities, some of which were not matches based on the written description and some of which were repeats. For the rest I used the information to search in archives. Here are the finalists with representative examples when available, in the order of the ISEGRIM hits. Coincidentally, I think the first one looks most likely (if any of them are a match, that is <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />).</p><p><br /></p><p>...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>MYSIA. Kyzikos. Augustus (or Gaius Caesar?) / ? (Lucius Caesar). There are three of these in ACsearch, sizes 13mm-15mm; ISEGRIM finds 8, all said to be 16mm</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579469" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579469" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579469</a></p><p>I think the obverse and reverse are switched in this image.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770535[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Another example of this <a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=108734" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=108734" rel="nofollow">Kyzikos coin, from CNG</a>. I'm liking this as a real contender.</p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/76001059.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><b>MYSIA, Cyzicus. <i>Augustus. </i></b>27 BC-AD 14. Æ 16mm (1.82 g, 12h). Bare male head right / Bare male head right. RPC I 2246; SNG Ashmolean 1188; SNG Copenhagen -. VF, green patina</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>MYSIA. Pergamum. Britannicus and Nero</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4739595" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4739595" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4739595</a></p><p>I don't think this is it. The border is a line rather than dotted.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770536[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>MYSIA. Germe. Titus and Domitian</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2711934" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2711934" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2711934</a></p><p>Probably not this type since they're wearing laurel wreaths and there is a lot of legend.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770547[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>LYDIA, Sardes. Germanicus / Drusus</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2114092" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2114092" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2114092</a></p><p>Probably not this one either for the same reasons as the Germe coin.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770550[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>MYSIA, Pergamum. Germanicus and Drusus.</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2831962" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2831962" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2831962</a></p><p>Probably not this one either; too much legend; solid border rather than dotted.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770552[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>AEOLIS. Aegae. Gaius and Lucius</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2008382" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2008382" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2008382</a></p><p>Nah, probably not</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770561[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>IONIA, Magnesia. 17BC -4 AD. AE. Obverse: <i>SEBASTOS</i>; PORTRAIT MAN R / AUGUSTUS . Reverse: <i>GAIOS MAGNHTWN</i>; PORTRAIT MAN R / GAIUS CAESAR</p><p>(I didn't find any examples in archives, but other coins of Augustus from this area didn't look right style-wise)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>PHRYGIA. Midaeum. Augustus and (?) Gaius Caesar</p><p><a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3182130" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3182130" rel="nofollow">https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3182130</a></p><p>Probably not.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]770567[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>LYDIA, Tralles. Augustus, with Caius Caesar</p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=196799" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=196799" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=196799</a></p><p>Meh, probably not.</p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/2660246.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>MYSIA, Pergamum. Gaius and Lucius.</p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304919" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304919" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304919</a></p><p>Probably not.</p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3680232.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>ISEGRIM didn't hit any Bosporan Kingdom coins. Not sure why. As you've noted, there is an Augustus/Rhoemetalkes bronze with bust right/bust right. I don't think it matches your coin.</p><p><a href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=112850" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=112850" rel="nofollow">https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=112850</a></p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/91337816.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" />[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 3068110, member: 56859"]Hmm, this is going to be one which can only be narrowed down, not positively identified. There seems to be a hint of dotted border so that tidbit of info might help. The busts appear male and their heads appear bare although the wear could have removed traces of headgear. It's hard to say if there was any or much legend on either coin but I'm better there weren't extensive legends on either side. The general appearance of the busts on these coins (without headgear-- I think) makes me suspect an early provincial pairing of emperors or emperor and family/VIP/etc, rather than deity/deity or emperor/deity. Augustus or another Julio-Claudian is likely. ISEGRIM seems to bear this out. Looks like a good coin for practicing with [USER=82322]@Ed Snible[/USER]'s [URL='http://isegrim.mybluemix.net/']ISEGRIM interface[/URL]. I still don't understand what terms the headings are looking for, but with some trial and error I plugged in AE for metal (that was easy), obverse type PORTRAIT MAN R, reverse type PORTRAIT MAN R, and set a size range to weed out coins that are clearly too large or too small (minimum size 16 mm, maximum size 19 mm). That gave 27 possibilities, some of which were not matches based on the written description and some of which were repeats. For the rest I used the information to search in archives. Here are the finalists with representative examples when available, in the order of the ISEGRIM hits. Coincidentally, I think the first one looks most likely (if any of them are a match, that is :)). ... MYSIA. Kyzikos. Augustus (or Gaius Caesar?) / ? (Lucius Caesar). There are three of these in ACsearch, sizes 13mm-15mm; ISEGRIM finds 8, all said to be 16mm [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2579469[/url] I think the obverse and reverse are switched in this image. [ATTACH=full]770535[/ATTACH] Another example of this [URL='https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=108734']Kyzikos coin, from CNG[/URL]. I'm liking this as a real contender. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/76001059.jpg[/IMG] [B]MYSIA, Cyzicus. [I]Augustus. [/I][/B]27 BC-AD 14. Æ 16mm (1.82 g, 12h). Bare male head right / Bare male head right. RPC I 2246; SNG Ashmolean 1188; SNG Copenhagen -. VF, green patina MYSIA. Pergamum. Britannicus and Nero [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4739595[/url] I don't think this is it. The border is a line rather than dotted. [ATTACH=full]770536[/ATTACH] MYSIA. Germe. Titus and Domitian [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2711934[/url] Probably not this type since they're wearing laurel wreaths and there is a lot of legend. [ATTACH=full]770547[/ATTACH] LYDIA, Sardes. Germanicus / Drusus [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2114092[/url] Probably not this one either for the same reasons as the Germe coin. [ATTACH=full]770550[/ATTACH] MYSIA, Pergamum. Germanicus and Drusus. [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2831962[/url] Probably not this one either; too much legend; solid border rather than dotted. [ATTACH=full]770552[/ATTACH] AEOLIS. Aegae. Gaius and Lucius [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2008382[/url] Nah, probably not [ATTACH=full]770561[/ATTACH] IONIA, Magnesia. 17BC -4 AD. AE. Obverse: [I]SEBASTOS[/I]; PORTRAIT MAN R / AUGUSTUS . Reverse: [I]GAIOS MAGNHTWN[/I]; PORTRAIT MAN R / GAIUS CAESAR (I didn't find any examples in archives, but other coins of Augustus from this area didn't look right style-wise) PHRYGIA. Midaeum. Augustus and (?) Gaius Caesar [url]https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3182130[/url] Probably not. [ATTACH=full]770567[/ATTACH] LYDIA, Tralles. Augustus, with Caius Caesar [url]https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=196799[/url] Meh, probably not. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/2660246.jpg[/IMG] MYSIA, Pergamum. Gaius and Lucius. [url]https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=304919[/url] Probably not. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/3680232.jpg[/IMG] ISEGRIM didn't hit any Bosporan Kingdom coins. Not sure why. As you've noted, there is an Augustus/Rhoemetalkes bronze with bust right/bust right. I don't think it matches your coin. [url]https://www.cngcoins.com/Coin.aspx?CoinID=112850[/url] [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/big/91337816.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
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