1st ELAGABALUS DENARIUS

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  1. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    Raised a lot of cattle growing up: you only had ONE bull for a herd (100). Sooo... quality bulls were very important. We had 1/3 rights to the Canadian Grand Champion bull on a 3 year rotation... yeah, it was worth the big bucks for the 1/3rd Bull!
     
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  3. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    haha!.. great minds big A:pompous:
     
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  4. Bing

    Bing Illegitimi non carborundum Supporter

    You beat me too it. One bull per herd. Too many bulls means trouble.
     
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  5. Ajax

    Ajax Well-Known Member

    This has been a very interesting thread. Great coin @gregarious. Plenty of nice examples from everyone else too.
    This one is quite rough but it's my only Elegabalus and it was only about 2 bucks so I can't complain.
    Elegabalus Victory.png
     
  6. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    The term "Horny" refers to the horns of a cuckold. If a man wore the horns of a cukold it meant that his wife was cheating on him. Interestingly, we still do this today. The gesture we make with our fingers behind someone's head is a throwback to the cuckold's horns. We are in fact saying that this person is being cheated on.
     
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  7. FitzNigel

    FitzNigel Medievalist

    Come to think of it, a little cuckolding may not be beyond Elagalabus's interests...
     
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  8. arnoldoe

    arnoldoe Well-Known Member

    I did some more research

    http://www.takeourword.com/pt.html
    "The word horny "sexually excited, lecherous" derives from an interesting yet not surprising source. As early as the mid-18th century, an erection was known as a horn or the horn, simply because it looked a bit like one. James Joyce even used the term in his Ulysses. From there, any man having the horn was called horny, and this is first recorded in 1889. It was surely in use long before then, as the horn probably was. It often takes some time for lewd slang to make it into the written record."

    http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?allowed_in_frame=0&search=horny&searchmode=none
    "it probably derives from the late 18c. slang expression to have the horn, suggestive of male sexual excitement (but eventually applied to women as well); see horn (n.). As a noun it once also was a popular name for a domestic cow. For an adjective in the original sense of the word, hornish (1630s) and horn-like (1570s) are available."
     
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  9. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Okay, so this is really getting off topic. But I'm curious. Why didn't you just keep one of your bulls intact rather than renting?
     
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  10. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    a cuckold's horns?!?...hmmm.. i always thought the term cuckold came from the cuckoo bird.
     
  11. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    It is related. From wikipedia:"The word cuckold derives from the cuckoo bird, alluding to its habit of laying its eggs in other birds' nests.[2][3] The association is common in medieval folklore, literature, and iconography."

    As for the horns of a cuckold:

    http://www.strangehistory.net/2014/05/16/cuckolds-horns/

    "The most difficult question is, of course, where does the idea of a cuckold’s horns originate? There are many theories but the best notion has to be that pushed a generation ago by Graber and Richter (1987). They referred to a curious agricultural custom whereby castrated roosters (capons) had their spurs transplanted onto their combs: where they grew into the comb as horns. (Talk about adding insult to injury.) The cuckolded husband is neutered, hence the capon’s horns. If all this sounds interesting but hardly cuckoldish, consider that the German word for cuckold is Hahnrei (rooster-deer): etymological proof always sounds so convincing. The problem is that most studies suggest that the practice originated in the Latin Mediterranean (i.e. that’s where we get most early evidence) but the connection there was with goats not roosters"

    As you can see, the whole origin of the horns of a cuckhold is not easy to ascertain.
     
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  12. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    We did. For the year we had Champ, bull was studded out to another farm.
     
  13. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ok, i always think of that poem from college "for thus sings he..cuckoo! cuckoo! o word of fear, unpleasing to the married ear", of o bill shakespeare. yup, those cuckoo's are purdy sneaky birds.
     
  14. Orfew

    Orfew Draco dormiens nunquam titillandus

    The cuckold's horns are very prominent in the works of Shakespeare. Look to "Much ado about nothing" for examples.

    You might also consider the reference to cuckoos from middle English:

    Middle English[edit]
    Svmer is icumen in
    Lhude sing cuccu
    Groweþ sed
    and bloweþ med
    and springþ þe wde nu
    Sing cuccu

    Awe bleteþ after lomb
    lhouþ after calue cu
    Bulluc sterteþ
    bucke uerteþ

    murie sing cuccu
    Cuccu cuccu
    Wel singes þu cuccu
    ne swik þu nauer nu

    Sing cuccu nu • Sing cuccu.
    Sing cuccu • Sing cuccu nu

    Modern English
    Summer[a] has arrived,
    Sing loudly, cuckoo!
    The seed is growing
    And the meadow is blooming,
    And the wood is coming into leaf now,
    Sing, cuckoo!

    The ewe is bleating after her lamb,
    The cow is lowing after her calf;
    The bullock is prancing,
    The billy-goat farting,

    Sing merrily, cuckoo!
    Cuckoo, cuckoo,
    You sing well, cuckoo,
    Never stop now.

    Sing, cuckoo, now; sing, cuckoo;
    Sing, cuckoo; sing, cuckoo, now!
     
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  15. gregarious

    gregarious E Pluribus Unum

    ah, that's a good one too! and now i hear in my minds ear the child rhyme of the kookaburra :)
     
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    stevex6 Random Mayhem

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