1999 SBA "error"- Live or Memorex?

I found the following from a post here from @JCro57 late last year and quote:

"One person in particular who was selling or attempting to sell these coins and other desirable errors (state quarters on cent planchets, Ike dollars struck on 1 cent curved clips, Susan B. Anthony wrong planchet errors, etc.) was a man supposedly named "Charles Silverstone" a.k.a. "Mike McCoy" among other names. Apparently at one point he had an address listed on eBay in Bulgaria, and also had contact information in Western Florida in the St. Pete/Clearwater area with at least two different addresses. (People I interviewed also said he had a thick European accent after talking with him on the phone.)

Unfortunately a handful of his fakes were at first slabbed by all four major grading companies, in part because the modus operandi was to use genuine U.S. planchets in making these deceptive coins, and even using some genuine errors that were later enhanced via additional strikes from extremely well-crafted fake dies; this strategy adds to the level of difficulty in verifying genuine coins.

One of the people who discovered these were not genuine was Mint error dealer Jon Sullivan, which among other factors noticed one die with unique die markings was found to be on different denominations over different years...and from different U.S. Mints! So, either the various Mints passed this particular die around to each other over several years, or it was an altered/fake die all made at one place.

Though some of you may feel this is "proof" that grading companies are unreliable, I find just the opposite is true. I admire their role in being aggressive to correct their mistakes, and I don't feel it was just all about mitigating damage/lawsuits or to deflect negative publicity; I believe they had the individual collector in mind as well and didn't want anyone else getting scammed.

As you can see, these fakes/altered coins are incredibly convincing, though some more than others. I don't know what or if anything ever happened to "Charles Silverstone," or whomever he really is.

~Joe C".

https://www.cointalk.com/threads/whopper-kennedy-errors-i-mean-day-um.351698/page-3

 

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I did notice that after physics brang it to my attention and later admitted to my mistake. Did you even see that post? Anyway.. Moving along.

I have been tagging @JCro57 since the beginning of this thread. I just did it for you one more time

Peace

 

Your post stating "I see" and the group of emojis? Really wasn't clear to me what you meant. I have tagged JCro57 as well.

 

Jon Sullivan commented on this SBA on another forum and is very confident it is not genuine.

He actually studied a group of different errors from "Charles Silverstone" that he had in front of him at one time and noticed several had similar die markings that were struck on different dates and different mints for various denominations.

This means some of these dies would have had to have been passed around to various Mints over a long period of time. Not only is this unlikely, it is beyond absurd.

This guy also used his handful of fake dies to strike genuine Mint planchets, struck coins, and even some genuine errors which made it harder to detect. Fred Weinberg is very open about these and notes some were even slabbed by PCGS - that is how good these were. Below is one that was slabbed by NGC.

So yeah, if Sullivan feels it is not genuine, I support his findings that the SBA is fake. Honestly, none of us here examined these before so all we have is conjecture. I have to go with someone who studied them personally and recognizes die markings on other fakes.

 

NGC apparently agreed with Jon!


Thanks for the additional info JCro57; much to learn about these fakes!

 

So on the Louisiana quarter struck on a cent planchet, it appears that he is using an actual already made mint coin. (The quarter).
Why didn't he do that on the SBA? Or did he?

 

He did

 

In my book coming out on Mint errors, I discuss Silverstone and his fakes. Also a few others as well

 

I've got to say, if these are fakes then they are really, really good. They fooled me.

 

Post from 2014 in the Coin Community forum on the subject of Silverstone: https://www.coincommunity.com/forum...W3W2piu4m04M8HQWvqOivcKfCsDx1gORKzBFvG8WdDFxE

 

The internet listing for the OP SBA was removed; yet to hear back from ANACS on the subject.